Kerry Davis - Dark Angel Medical

Episode 100 of the Big Tex Ordnance podcast features Kerry Davis from Dark Angel Medical, returning as the first-ever guest to discuss the latest in tactical medicine, training, and gear. Kerry shares insights on the importance of medical training, everyday preparedness, and the evolution of medical technology. The conversation ranges from the dangers of everyday life to the future of medical interventions, all delivered with Kerry's signature humor and expertise.
Timeline:
00:03:00 - Discussion on the importance of carrying medical kits in vehicles
00:07:00 - Kerry talks about teaching medical skills to children
00:12:00 - Conversation about bleeding out vs. falls as causes of death
00:20:00 - Kerry describes the essential components of a basic medical kit
00:25:00 - Discussion on the dangers of counterfeit medical equipment
00:39:00 - Kerry introduces "vet gel," a new medical technology for bleeding control
00:47:00 - Explanation of Kerry's teaching philosophy and use of analogies
00:52:00 - The "dirty hobo" analogy for explaining carbon monoxide poisoning
00:56:00 - Discussion on the balance of hands-on vs. theoretical training
01:02:00 - Kerry talks about upcoming classes and events

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Transcript

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I'd rather people vapor lock in that kind of situation, then they get out, they get a, you know, as Jerry says, that's how you get killed in the streets, you know? So, uh, I don't want people to vapor lock. I'd rather vapor lock in class and turned it into a learning opportunity than sit there after a real world incident and go, Oh man, did I kill that person? You know, or what could I have done better? Yeah. Cause you're going to self flagellate no matter what. If you're gonna critique yourself, but yeah, I mean, just don't doubt whether you screw up there because you're going to screw it in real world. That's that's pretty smart. Yeah. I was thinking about making like a little gift basket, you know, like some shirts and all this gummy bears or some. Uh, it'd be like Sean Ryan where they give a, a Sig, uh, every, for every guest or something. Is he, is he giving out a gun now all the time? He was, like at one point he's like, here's from my friends at Sig Sauer, give them like a 365 or something. Holy crap. I was like, damn. That's a big move for the gummy bears. Yeah. Here's some gummy bears and scotch. Here's a gun. And we can do the transfer for you right here. That's awesome. Awesome. Anyway. Bye. Yeah. Are we recording? We, I already started recording. Oh sweet. We'll, we'll get into it a little bit. Uh, let's talk about the episode 100 thing again. And then we'll roll into it. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, so you were the first, you know, episode that we had way back in the day, you know, no, no background, beige walls, GoPro camera recording it on a GoPro, my cell phone and a DSLR. Yeah. And so we had the, we had the, the, the microphone set up. We had that. Yeah. Yeah. We did it. Yeah. That was the first thing that we did. That was, that was right here. But, uh, we're only running two views today because we're packing up after this episode. And headed to San Antonio for a QP And I took the dumbbells home. And you took the dumbbells home. So, that's why we're out of the There's no wait for the, for the little boom light here. Whatever you call it. The big orb, the glowing orb in the sky. Yeah, we could have, we could have planned that better. Good, good thinking on the 100th episode. So, yeah, so anyways, welcome to episode 100 of the Big Tech Soreness podcast. Season three, episode something or another. Probably seven, I guess. I don't know. I'm doing the math. I don't do math in public. Anyways, much less on camera. Sorry, broke my rule two minutes in. But we have Carrie, um, from Dark Angel Medical. He was guest number one, the very first episode we ever did, like we were talking about with the GoPros and cell phones and stuff. And now we're full circle back to episode 100. So you got a class this weekend over at BTO range. Oh, I've completely forgot. I'm Ike, we have Chris and Tara. Back to Kerry. A little bit off my game here today. It's all right, man. Y'all are busy. Y'all are busy. But yeah, so we got, we got the class this weekend. So, um, yes, thanks for coming in and yeah. Glad to have you back on. I'm glad to, glad to be back here, man. Uh, yeah, Tara and I were back and forth with communication and I was like, all right, we got, we got to get her working on her numbers. And she's like, all right, right on. We're working on it. And we were working on it. And so got the numbers we needed. And I was like, thank God, because people need to, I've always been a proponent of it, obviously, but people need to prioritize this stuff. They really do. I mean, just even on the drive in, I was like, holy crap. I mean, the way people drive around here blindfolded, uh, or with their eyes closed, no turn signals, things like that. I'm like, I'm wondering how many people actually carry a kit in their car. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? And, and if they did, if they do, do they know how to use it? And that's, that's the big thing. So I just, I don't want to, I just want to get the, get the word out. The more people I teach, the more people who could, you know. who could impact somebody else's life. I was just thinking about that when you texted me saying you were a little bit late. Traffic was bad. I was like, man, it's raining out. Uh, I was like, man, I said stay safe. I was like, that'd suck to have Carrie in a wreck, you know? That's, I mean, it almost got rear ended. Yeah, I don't doubt it. I'm like, hey, you might want to take your head out of your phone and slow down a little bit. Dude, that intersection right here, if like we're trying to cross, I always give it about 5 or 10 seconds, because People fly that thing at it every time every time and people I know where I live in Colorado. There's some of them There's some of the there's some of the red light running the sons of guns out there and I'm I'm I'm like, I wait at least three, four seconds before you go. I don't care if somebody's back behind me honking, I'm not going to go, but yeah, it's good to be back, man. It rained all, all the, I drove from Mississippi yesterday and it rained the entire time. I texted my wife this morning. I was like, it's still raining. It's still raining. Yeah. It's supposed to be out of here to the later on this afternoon. I know I was checking, you know, San Antonio weather, just a little bit drier than us typically anyway, but we're, we got nineties tomorrow and, and son. Yeah. So it won't be that bad. At least it'll be dry. Yeah. Right. Yeah. At least it's not triple digits, you know. It's fall, almost. It's fall. It's sweater weather. And Pikes Peak just got it's first dusting of snow. What? Yesterday. Wow. Barely into September. Yeah, it was snowing in Montana a couple couple weeks ago. I saw on the on my Facebook feed Yeah, the but yet you were talking about car accidents. It doesn't I don't think it goes a day Maybe it goes a day or two without me seeing one. But yesterday I'm leaving Home Depot after getting some stuff for my tactical Crafts I was doing for this weekend's match and I'm driving through our home depot over there by our house, you know, and I'm because if you pull out of the parking lot, it's a pretty, pretty big drop off coming into one of the side streets, which is the easy one to pull out, not 14 88 the other one. And I'm driving and I hear it and I'm like, Oh yeah. And a lady just pulled out wide right in front of SUV, clapped and I was like, okay, that's, I'm not going out that exit. But I mean, just like right there, every, every day or two, we see something. And it's, it happens. And that's what I tell people happens all the freaking time. And we're more liable to see that. On our, on our way to or from work or just, you know, tactical projects at the Home Depot, uh, things like that, going to get groceries. So, I mean, it, it's, I don't know. It's just one of these things I've been beating my head against the wall for. 16 years now. What's up? What's up? You're like just freak accidents that can happen at any time. Uh, the kids the other day, um, my wife's car, it's got the big, you know, panoramic sunroof and stuff. They were, they decided to climb on top of the cars and we're playing on top of the glass and we almost had like a, like a heart attack where we had to have a pretty good talking with him. But like, I mean, they fall through that they're slicing themselves from, you know, toes to, to, to nose. It's, it's Yeah, it's like falling into a meat grinder, man. Yeah. Literally. Uh, it, like, uh, we had to, we, we were pretty graphic with it, and we were like, Do you guys understand what's gonna happen, like, if y'all fall through there? We wanted to, you know, Properly scared them to make sure they never do it again. Not, not enough to need therapy. Yeah, you got to find that balance. You got to find the right line there. How old are they? Eight or almost nine and six. Oh yeah. Definitely old enough. Yeah. I mean, and they're heavy enough too, which is like the scary part. Like if they're both on top of there, like it's kind of, especially if they get in a focus point on there, it's just, yeah. And like my youngest daughter's about to be 19. Uh, and. I started teaching her and I used tourniquets when she was eight. I remember that class we did six, seven, however many years ago at that one place. And she was probably, I guess, 13 She was putting on tourniquets like a champ. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Here's a, here's a, uh, uh, range down the road. Boyert. Uh, no, was it? We did it. We did one at Boyert too. Yeah. Where was that? It was the Saddle River. Okay. Was it? I don't think I brought, maybe somebody brought him in, but I didn't. Was it Boyert? It might have been Boyert that we did it at. I think it was Boyert. I don't know. They all run together. It was a long time ago. I never brought, I never brought Kerry in. It must have been Boyert. I think it was at Boyert and Katie. Yeah, because we went upstairs and they had like, yeah, upstairs. That was it. Yeah, and they had another area where we did all the hands on stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and, and that's, that's what I tell people when, uh, call me in or, or email and, Hey, how can a kid be to come to this class? I'm like, eh, I'd like for them to be a little bit older because I don't want to pay for their therapy from all the, from all the graphic content in class. But, uh, I, I've had kids as young as 12. But I mean, his kid was, this kid was asking more questions than all the adults were. Yeah. And his kid was, he's still a very squared away young man. So, I stay in contact with him and his dad. Was it Jace? Jace winner? No, no. Uh, Jay, uh, it was, uh, Andrew Williams, my buddy, Matt Williams up in Michigan. Okay. Uh, and he brought his son actually, he wasn't even 12 yet. He was like two weeks from turning 12. Yeah. But kids super, super mature for his age. So, yeah. And, uh, he was asking great questions and has used the stuff and everything since then. So pretty, pretty cool. I was briefed the other day that my kid gave your kid a band aid after an incident at school. Oh yeah, he stabbed himself with a pencil. Uh, yeah, cause mine, mine go to school with little boo boo kits. I mean, nothing, nothing tactical or, or, or major, but it's like, hey, you've got your band aids. You've got your, you've got your stuff that you need in your backpack. You can doctor yourself up if you've. See, we can't give them to the kids because the kids like to put band aids all over themselves. Like, they will get They're like stickers. They're like stickers, man. They really are, man. They just cover themselves with band aids. Just give them stickers. Well, Chelsea, she started U of H this semester. Oh, wow. And her I think it was her second day at school, someone had I don't know if they got dizzy or something, but they passed out and, uh, fell And they cut theirself. And we had a First aid kit that we sent her with and everybody she said she was sitting on the bench with her friend and everybody like this She was hurt. She was really hurt. She's bleeding and she said everybody was just sitting there Staring at this girl not doing anything and she got up. She had her kit in her backpack went over there and you know Nursed her back to health or I don't know exactly what she did But you know got her all cleaned up and you know taken care of so it's just you know I don't know. It's so important to have, have those things on you because absolutely, even just like, even just a little ouch pouches that y'all sell, like we, we use those all the time and it's perfect for like the situations that y'all to just absolutely throw them in, you know, go in the range or whatever, or throw it in your glove box or, uh, your, your, your European shoulder bag. Uh, yeah, your man, your satchel, Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones. Yeah. It's crazy how much you actually use them. I remember, uh, This was quite a few years ago. I was going in to drop off, uh, something at UPS and one of the employees had cut the tip of their finger off and had nothing to, she was just sitting there bleeding and I was just like, hold on, I'm going to grab my stuff, you know? Oh, everyday life, man. I was actually, I was in Chicago. Yeah. I think it was in Chicago and this pilot ended up cutting the crap out of his finger. And he's like, anybody got a bandaid? I was like. Actually, I'm your huckleberry. I do have a bandaid. In fact, so is it still bleeding and bleeding out? Kill more people or does, is it falls? Which one is it? Oh man. Uh, okay. So I always try to induce a little fear in class and it's like home is the most dangerous place in the world. Cause like 130, 000 people a year die at home. And that was like 2022 statistics. But like half of those were. poisonings. Now, there were some, there were some, there was obviously some like CO poison and stuff like that, but it was like ODs, uh, you know, fentanyl opiates kill over 100, 000, 110, 000 people a year. Uh, yeah. And so, uh, but The other half, the other 65, 000 deaths were related to falls and bleeding out and things like that. They the crack and not to crash to the Hartford consensus study that start that started to stop the bleed stuff back in 2016. Uh, say that Roughly 70, 000 people a year in the U. S. bleed out. And half of those, roughly half of those are what we can call compressible injuries, which you can, you can put a tourniquet on, you can throw a pressure bandage on, you can throw a hemostatic gauze in there, something like that. So, I don't, I don't know, it's probably more, Falls. Yeah. That get people then at home or, you know, if you, if you factor all the bleeding in, I don't know, that's what falls are. I mean, dude, if you got stairs, you got stairs at your house, have you ever missed the last fricking stair? Yeah. Yeah. Holy smokes, dude. I did that. I did that at my house when I first moved out. We called our little house on the prairie. Uh, and there were no freaking lights out there. And it's darker than Satan's butthole out there. I mean, there's no, if it's cloudy, there's Get ready. There's going to be a lot of these. Like, just, like, little, little Yeah. Care isms. Care isms. Dude, it, it was so dark and I missed that last step. And that was like that old Bugs Bunny, that one's a Lulu. And I fricking biffed it, man, on a, on a concrete walk to my barn. And I was like, I was sitting, I was laying there. I heard this, you know, come out of my mind, what the hell was that? Oh, it was me. And I was sitting there doing a function check, you know, making sure nothing's broken and, uh, I was like, man, that could have been, that could have been bad. Yeah, you miss it. You miss one stair and boom, you're done. Yeah, I've I've luckily at my house, if you miss the bottom stair, you got about four steps until you hit a wall. So that wall is going to stop you one way or another. So your head goes through the drywall into the into the pantry. Your head will break the fall. Yeah, and I guess, you know, as we As our oldest generation continues to age, of course, like the, the, the boomers out there, I mean, falls are very, very dangerous. I mean Huge. I should make a joke there, but I'm not one of my, one of my wife's, uh, one of my mother in law's, uh, friends, her husband fell about two months ago, broke his left hip. And then while he was recuperating from that, getting around, he fell, broke his right hip and then, yeah. And then the other day he falls and breaks his fricking shoulder. I'm like, holy osteoporosis, Batman. But yeah, as you get older and a no, and not only the fall, but the bleeding that comes from that. If you break a long bone like your femur, you can even get like a, uh, you can get a fat embolus. I heard you're like you're this you're you're You're fat, you're yellow fat and your marrow or in your, in your long bone can actually dislodge go into your bloodstream and yeah, there you go. Ooh. Yeah. You're deep. You're the deed. New fear unlocked. Yeah, man. So thousand ways to die with Gary Davis. We could talk about that. That's why I tell people in class, if I hadn't made you more paranoid by the time the class is over with, I have not done my job. Yeah. My, my kids are always like Elsa's. Primarily, she's like, dad, you are so overprotective. I'm like, I'm really not. Well, it's a lot of stuff you don't think about, like until you're presented with it, you know, it's like stuff that you, you, you might just be number immune or like not aware of, but kind of raising the awareness. You start seeing it everywhere, you know, potential threats, like, you know, not talking about like, you know, tactical threats or whatever, but like the threat of bleeding out or, you know, getting in a car wreck or man, I want people to become their own risk manager. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because you walking around in a, in a grocery store, let's say you're walking around in a grocery store and you're going to pick up and you see a shelf with like a piece of exposed metal and you're like, how many people would, would just not pay attention to that? But you see it and you're like, huh, somebody could really cut the crap out of themselves with that. You know, better. My wife was like, you carry duct tape for you everywhere. I've covered, I've covered raw edges of metal up with that little travel gorilla tape. Oh yeah. Yeah. That stuff's awesome, man. So it just, I tell people be your own risk manager, look at, don't, you know, don't be paranoid obviously, but, uh, a good, healthy level of situational awareness is, is needed. I think not like you said, not just for a tactical scenario, not everything's fricking John wick. Uh, and, and so everyday life will get you quicker. I mean, hell I saw a dude, uh, Went and picked up when I was working on the street as a paramedic in Alabama. Dude had ripped open a varicose vein on his ankle. I mean, those things get fricking yeah. And he was on thinners and he ripped it up on the grocery store shelf. Oh man. Yeah. Damn near bled out, man. I was like, that's insane. Just something mundane is that awesome. Varicose vein. Yeah. All bleeding is bad. Yeah. Uh, and so, yeah, it's, it's these everyday little things that I tell people that would get you. So become your own risk manager. Kind of a big deal. So, that leads into a couple questions that I had prior to this. And this is, uh, One, and this is affecting everybody currently, you know, economies down tremendously, sales are down tremendously across, across the entire firearms. Everybody's down. I don't care if you're still on close. I was talking to a dude that actually does that. He's like, we're down like 170 percent in certain fields. You know, everybody's down. What are you seeing in your class lineups right now? Well, I mean, just like you and I had been working to get this class filled. Our class, our classes are down probably about 25, 30%. I mean, we're working really hard to get our numbers up to be able to go out and teach the classes since we have minimums and yeah, it's, it's the old, the old thing saying things are tough all over and they really are. I just. Because people are not buying med kits. People are not buying accessories. People are not buying guns or ammo or, you know, anything like that. They're, they're spending the money on things they need, like food. Yeah, like when your grocery bill goes up, you know, quite a bit, you know. Substantially substantially. It's not a small amount that cuts into your discretionary. Yeah, my buddy, uh, like my good buddy lives up in Ranchester, Wyoming, like nine miles from Montana border. He's one of the house supervisors at VA hospital up there. And he did a side by side comparison. He put all the stuff in. He does his Walmart cart, right? And so he did a Walmart cart from last year to now, or from two years ago to now, it was like 100 and 26 percent increase on some of the products. Yeah. Overall, it was like 85 percent increase. So in this economy, what would you suggest that, you know, like bare minimum for what someone should have in their, their IMK? Man, uh, just a bare minimum, uh, get one of the like emergency bleeding control kits that we sell. It's got, I call it pocket docs top five. It's got your tourniquet. It's got a pair of chest seals. It's got hemostatic gauze. Uh, it's got. Gloves and it's got a pressure bandage, right? Something, something just as simple as that can, can literally be a game changer. And if you throw something like an ouch pouch in there, or if you buy the combo, we call it the ouch pouch. Plus it's just like a bigger, a bigger ouch pouch, something like that. It's got your first aid, minor first aid, boo boo stuff over here on this side. And your holy crap smays bleeding out stuff over here on this side, you know, it's just something as simple as that. You don't have to have the, You know, the big Saint Mike bag or anything like that or the hard case for the hard case is really cool. Love the hard case. Thank you, man. Yeah. Featured in Jack Carr's latest novel. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He, uh, he actually, uh, I met him through a SIG event years ago. He's super, super nice, dude. Yeah, but yeah, um, And, uh, he, he, I walked, he called me and we talked about a trauma scene and I helped him walk through the trauma scene in his latest book. So that's cool. It's kind of rad. I got it sitting on my shelf. I have to read that now. Oh man, dude. Oh, he's, you've been, you've been ever since the first book, you've had a shout out on almost everyone. I mean, yeah, you've had a, he's done, he's done, he's done shout outs for our kids and stuff like that. So yeah, he's a big, big supporter of us. I was very thankful. But yeah, I mean, it, You don't have to have the hard case or the St. Mike bag, just some of the minimal stuff. And like, uh, Chris talking about, uh, his going to his kids in school. Uh, I mean, you can throw that kind of stuff into a, and when those pencil bags, it goes into a, do kids even carry binders anymore? A little folder. If you have like a three ring, you can throw, you can throw that kind of stuff. And like a three ring binder. I'm from the old trapper keepers back in the day, you know, uh, really dating myself in the way back machine, but you can carry that kind of stuff just in a, in a, uh, little three ring binder or something they can throw in a backpack, even was mercy bleeding control kits will go right in the backpack. So any, anything, and, and, and, What I will tell people too is, man, don't, don't bargain basement shop your crap. Yeah. There's so much fake stuff, man. There's even fake hemostatic gauze out there now. That's, I mean, those people deserve a special level of hell for selling stuff like that anyway. But, yeah, get your, get your stuff, uh, you know, make sure it's the real deal. Um, yeah. I didn't even realize the importance of that. I took gunfighter medicine in Colorado at the a girl and a gun conference. And prior to that I had, you know, your, your Amazon special, you know, tourniquet and all that stuff. And I had no idea, you know, the importance of actually, you know, sourcing that stuff from a, you know, a reputable place, darkangelmedical. com. I always do that in class. You can get your tourniquets at darkangelmedical. com. And you're, you're exactly right. People, people don't know. But, and that's what gets me is they'll have, you know, a 5, 000 AR set up or more. Yeah. I mean, what's a mall run? Yeah. Retail. What's a mall run? 36, 3, 700 right there. Right there. Yep. And if you have a mall, you probably got night vision. So now you're like at over 10 grand, right. And if you're running a son's gun, great guns. Uh, you know, uh, yeah. Yeah. And so, uh, All this, all this stuff, you know, and you obviously you're gonna have the helmet run nods, right? So, uh, so it's just exponentially increases and in there like 200 for a med kit, whoa, that's, that's too much. I got these, I got these, uh, tourniquets on Amazon. They're just as good. And I'm like, dude, they're not, they, they work until they don't. Yeah. Right. And the bad part about Amazon is that there's, there's, there's legit supplies on there. Oh, there are. There's legit supplies on there. But if you click the wrong one and it's a fulfilled by and not an actual, like exactly coming from, you know, TAC med or, um, medical or something like that, you know, essentials rescues. Right. Yeah. North American. Like if it's not fulfilled by them. And you haven't paid attention to that picture or when you click or who you pick from the shipping, Oh, well, that one can get here tomorrow. Well, it's coming from this warehouse and that warehouse might have two dozen real tourniquets in the bin, but then they have two dozen fake tourniquets in the same bin. Absolutely. The other thing too, is like the return. So like we've seen this a lot, um, a big fraud ring going around, like on optics and stuff for flashlights. They'll buy a real one. Take it out, return a, put a fake one in the box, return that. So they come in, Oh yeah, it looks good. You know, they're not, they can't tell the difference between X 300, you know, a fake one and a real one or a tourniquet or whatever. And they'll, they'll swap out fake ones for real ones to sell the real one on eBay or wherever. And then Amazon now has a fake one returned in the package, factory packaging. Everything looks legit. You have no idea until you, you may not even, you may never know. That's horrible. There's a major reason why you don't see us while we could sell. A lot of our stuff that we sell online at Amazon, we're allowed to like different dealers and stuff. That is the primary reason that we don't do it is because of the fraud associated with returns. Same. We don't sell it for a number of reasons. Uh, but biggest part is the, is the fraud and the, and the third party sourcing. And I've actually had people from Amazon distribution centers in Washington, Arizona, in my classes that have actually confirmed that are like, yeah, that. That happens 100 percent just what you just said and I'm like reason enough not to sell the stuff on there because I don't want somebody thinking they're getting one of our products. Yeah. And then it goes tango uniform on them whenever they, whenever they try to use it. And Now, Oh, now it's, that's, that's our reputation online. And I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do that just to get more volume. Uh, it's also easier too, because like if you sell on Amazon, you know, people know you can find dark angel on Amazon, but then you can have another pop up shop that clones you, basically. It's easier if you just say, Hey, if it's on Amazon, it's a fake. You know, cause we don't sell on Amazon. So, you know, for sure that it's a fake, if you're buying it on Amazon. Absolutely. And I've told people that in class and then he's like, Oh, I saw some, I saw some kits on there and I was like, yeah, well, they're not mine, dude. They're, they're made in, they're made in China. And so it's, uh, it's one of those things you got to be really cautious with when you buy and when you're out there sourcing this stuff and everybody's educated consumers. You want to be an educated consumer, make your, make an educated decision and, and know that if you do support us and, and we'll, and you use one of our kits, we'll replace that kit or whatever you've used. If you saved somebody's life, that's, that's the coolest thing. And since we've. I don't know how many we had on the books, uh, that we know about as far as saves go, but now we're on, we're approaching the 200 mark. We're at 197. Ain't that rad? That's awesome. And I love, I love giving, I'm like, Hey, I'll send you, I'll send you whatever, man, here, send, I'll send it out. I don't mind replacing full kits, pieces of kits, things like that. Cause that's another birthday right there. So if y'all are watching this, go do dangerous stuff. You can be number 200. We'll throw a big text t shirt in on that for that number 200. We'll hook them up. I'll call, I'll call the boys and say, Hey y'all, guess what? Number 200. You got my, you got my, you got my cell. Just shoot me a text. Address and the shirt size, right? Yeah. I mean, one of, one of our, one of our late, uh, latest saves was a guy who was in one of my classes in Michigan and actually self applied, self saved. Oh, wow. He ended up, he sliced his leg open with a box cutter. And yeah, I know. And it slipped and boom. Oh yeah. Bingo. Right there. And I was like, holy crap, man. Did you see the, the, I don't know if it was Alaska or where it was, but the guy who shot himself while being attacked by a bear? Yes. Yes. Oh man. Not only have I been attacked by a bear, but I shot myself. At least the bear's dead. And it didn't bring buddies. Did he survive or is he? I, I, I believe so. Yeah, his, his, his He didn't hit anything vital. Neither did the bear. It was a Hollywood injury. Uh, it was just, you know, it's just a shoulder injury. I see that in these movies. I'm like, bro, that's your chest. This is your shoulder, this is your chest. It is just a through and through. That's bad. Yeah., I'll, I'll link the, the YouTube it was either his father-in-Law, or his dad was there as well. Yeah. Oh man. His dad helped shoot the bear. Like he shot the bear, like he got shot, got shot. Did he shoot it with a 10 mil? Was it a 10 mil? I, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and that would. That would hurt. Yeah, I 10 mil. It was a good size. It was a good size bear. Yeah, it's a big bullet. It's got a lot of powder. It's uh, it's probably going to be a longer barrel. So you got, it goes really fast. Yeah. Yeah, that's like uh, cause I got some of that Underwood ammo for my 10 mil. Oh, yeah. And, uh, Glock 40, sorry, Sig, uh, Glock 40 MOS and, uh, put a seven inch KKM barrel in it. Dude, that 200 grain, uh, hard cast lead is cooking out at over 1300 feet per second. That is cruising. I would not want to get hit with that at all. I don't get hit with a. 22 short. Yeah. You know, paintballs suck, but yeah, 10 mil. Good Lord. It'll stop a bear. It'll stop your leg And everything behind the leg and screw that dude over there, too If he's in the way, oh man. Yeah, I mean, but I don't know maybe the dude was falling down When he was shooting, maybe he was on his back trying to be trying to get a or just try and get it out trying to get it out and get it out. I mean, I get attacked by a bear. I mean, like, when I go, when I'm back country, I bet you that would be kind of stressful. Oh, yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Because I carry one of those, uh, was it Kenai, uh, chest rigs. It's a kydex chest rig. Really nice. And, but yeah, still, man, I mean, that thing is like the gun out of the Joker or the bat out of Batman. The Joker pull out, you know, that big seven inch barrel on that thing. Got to pull it out here to get it drawn. You got to fully extend my arms are only 18 inches long, you know, so happy, you know, it clap your hands. So can't even sing that. So I mean, yeah. So did that guy have, I don't even see, I didn't see a tourniquet. I watched a little bit of the video, but they were getting like, I know, like the one part I was like, they're getting the med kit out, they're wrapping up stuff. I don't know if he needed a tourniquet or, but like. I mean, he survived the bush and well, there was that one dude in Africa on, on like a safari. And this, this dude was like up and up in the tree, you know, John Rambo and it with a fricking spear, remember? And he ended up, uh, lacerating his femoral artery. I think he fell out of the tree and landed on his spear and literally stuck his finger in the, in the hole to occlude the, to tamponade the artery. This has been years ago. And people are like. Hey, you need to contact this dude, get him to, get him to come to one of your classes or something. Oh, man. Send him a med kit. I was like, good lord, man. Not only are you solo hunting out in like, one of the most dangerous places in the world. With a spear. With a spear. You have no med kit. So, yeah, and get, and like, to, to piggyback on what you were saying earlier, Tara, as far as like minimum stuff to get. A lot of people don't have the money for the training either. Uh, and because train is expensive and our classes aren't cheap, but let me go to a pistol class, go to a rifle class. It's not cheap either and you got to pay for the ammo on top of it, but what we've tried to do is we've, we've got, uh, we actually videoed and edited a two day class. Yeah, I saw that it's 79 bucks, so I'm actually going to miss the class this weekend. I intended on taking it, but I had some family stuff going on, so I'm not going to be able to go, but, uh, I'm going to take the, the class. Yeah, the online class and have chelsea my daughter. Absolutely. She's gonna take it too. Absolutely a little family thing because I was just like wow, that's Really nice to have it. And you have it for, is it 30 or 60 days? It's 30 days. You get to, you get to have the complete course. And I did like modules in there with questions and things like that. Cool. Just to base, because it's hard to base comprehension whenever you're doing any kind of online stuff. Uh, and, and if people don't have that to spend, there's a 30, we got a YouTube channel. There's a 30 minute video that we did last year during Stop the Bleed Month that talks about the, Turn it to limbs, path of junction, seal the box. Things like, I would just, it's simple stuff, man. So it's, if you don't have 79 bucks, do the 30 minute free class. Yeah, it's free training, free, you know, cause a family that meds together doesn't dead together. You know, so, uh, it's, it's, it should be on a t shirt. It should. And yeah, I've been thinking about doing tap rack tourniquet, you know, cause it's, I call it your immediate action drills for people, but it's, it's medical is a force multiplier. And the more people you can, you can teach it, the more people who are going to be more good or in a, in a, in a very bad situation. I think we talked about this last time, just like the effort to stop the bleed, like how much that's done just for the general, you know, knowledge that the, that the population has. Absolutely. And this, it's, it's, it's a good thing and a bad thing. It's a good thing in that they're, they're getting it, getting the information out the masses, but it's also a bad thing because I've seen still people teaching outdated information and that kind of gives me a case of their, you know, case of the red butt, you know, and I'm like, God, stop that. You're, you know, vet your information, make sure it's the most current stuff. I changed our manual up every few months. Print shop hates it because I'm like, Hey, more edits. Uh, but it's, it's, it's incumbent upon me to provide the most up to date, uh, what we call in medical field, the best practice, uh, information out there because that, I mean, hell man, that could be, that could, that could be the difference between somebody living and somebody dying. And correct me if I'm wrong there, though, like the stop to bleed is a curriculum that they should be teaching directly out. Of that curriculum. So if they're adding stuff that's incorrect, they're adding stuff. That's sometimes people embellish stuff and, and, and, you know, they used to say that the course was a minimum four hours and now some people are doing it in like two hours and like, what are they leaving out? I mean, I could do tourniquets just. just tourniquets for two hours easily. And that is kind of, it's kind of scary sometimes. So if you, if you do at least a stop the bleed class, that's cool too. Some of them are even free, like, uh, communities will put a free stop to bleed class on, but that the instructor's background too, and make sure that they. Or that they at least know what they're talking about and can explain it. That's the big things with adult learners. We want to know the rationale, why I'm doing this, not just do this because I said, so, but I want to know what's going on inside the body, you know, what's going to happen after I do this, things like that. So, uh, you bet your, bet your folks too. I'm not, I'm not some, uh, any, I'm not anything special, but I've been doing this my whole life and, and this is, and I want to give people the best info out there. And so I have to make sure I stay up on top of everything too. Yeah. So speaking of that, how's like the classes evolved over the years? Oh man. Uh, Constantly changing, uh, as far as the, the format remained kind of the same, the, the basic backbone, uh, the class outline, the class, but just the information has changed as, as, as we've gotten new information, new updated studies, things like that, it's really evolved. And I think what we have today is probably, uh, many, and I've had people, uh, have taken a class like eight years apart and they're like, man, this is like a. This one guy, his last class I taught in Bryan, uh, he had taken a class eight years ago in Navasota, and uh, he was like, this is like a whole new class. What are some of the most recent? Um, what are some of the changes that you can talk about? Oh, uh, gosh, man, put me on the spot there. No, she's continuously had the really good questions lately. That is, that is, that is a good question. Let me see what some of the latest edits I did. Um, As far, okay, so, uh, TCCC came out with this thing on, uh, airway management as far as just rolling somebody over in the recovery position. Uh, we would have their head down at an angle, but now they're like, they're even saying, Hey, tilt their head, their chin slightly up, just something like that. Because if we, if you tilt somebody's head slightly up like that, yeah, you mechanically over here on, yeah, you mechanically elevate their jaw. Right. And if you're mechanically elevating their jaw, then that's less of a chance of that tongue So just something, just a little, little minutiae like that, that you, you come across and I get updates. Uh, uh, the special operations medical association has like a newsletter they send out every month and there's a little tidbits and stuff like that. I'm like, Oh, listen, you cheat teachable. See thing. And, uh, that was just from this past January and they're, they're constantly changing stuff like nasal airways. People are freaked out about using them. I'm like, well, guess what? Um, if you don't feel like using one, I'm Don't just roll them over in a recovery position. Don't don't sit there and worry about throwing a fricking nose hose up there. And, and, and, and especially if they got facial trauma, I mean, then you get goes up the brain, that's bad. Uh, so typically frowned upon in a receiving facility, but, but yeah, I mean, I, I tell people don't stress over, over that stuff. Just, if you can do the little stuff really well, then yeah, that's that. And so just as something as simple as roll them over, uh, eye injuries, um, If you've, uh, the old treatment was cover both eyes up, you know, because your eyes move in unison and if you've got something in this eye and you believe this, I've, you know, unoccluded, then you're looking around and that pencil, just like, yeah, that's just weird. And it's just weird. Uh, and, uh, and so they're like, oh, that increases intraocular damage. And I'm like, yeah, it's true. And then, but they came out with this thing saying, Hey dude, if it's a bad situation, like a hostile, overtly hostile situation, and somebody's got Piece of metal in their freaking eye. Don't occlude this one. We're worried about, you know, life over Lent, over lemon eyesight in this situation. So he kind of needs to find his way out instead of getting shot at walking around, you know, doing everything by Braille. So, uh, yeah, can you introduce falls into the mix? And now we have, now we have a penetrating head, brain trauma on top of it, falls on it. There goes the day. So, yeah, it's so these little, just little changes like that. And, and people may not notice it. They may notice it if they've taken the class previously, that one guy, that was a big compliment when he's like, this is like a whole new class. I'm like, awesome. He said, yeah, the, you know, the structure is basically the same. The outline is kind of the same, but you know, new information. Yeah. So we, we pride ourselves on that. Anything that you've seen, uh, uh, Gear gadget wise, like material wise that you've changed or seen come out in the last few years, or as you've been doing this, I mean, you started with limited offerings and then you've increased that. What, what are some of the cool things that you've seen lately? That are coming to the field. Uh, some of the newer tourniquets have some promise. Uh, I like some of them, some of them, not so much, but I still go with a softie and a cat. Cause I was like my, the OGs of the tourniquet were proven. Yeah. They're proven. They got the most data. They got the most field data on them, studies, things like that. Um, There's something that has been coming out. It's they've been doing studies on, they've been using an animal in veterinary medicine for years, but it's, I'm anxious to see what it does. Uh, they've done some studies on it here recently, and I think the FDA has recently approved it. It's called, it was, the original stuff was called vet gel. Have y'all heard of that? Okay. It's so think of that, that, that, uh, insulation that you got of a nozzle and it, so it's kind of like that. But for bleeds. Oh, that's neat. Rad. That's like some sci fi stuff. Here's your, here's your, what's, what's the, like one of the, one of the, uh, uh, video games, just like your, here's your med pack, you know, do you have your med pack and you know, and just cocks it up. So it's, it's actually, it's called vet jail. I can't remember the name of it. Cause I was one of my buddies sent it to me the other day. He's like, have you seen this? I was like, yeah, I do remember seeing that they were, they were doing some, um, People studies on it a few years ago. So I guess the FDA, you know, long, arduous process with those guys, uh, to get it approved. So yeah, it just, it just got, it just got approved for human use or human trials. So I'm like, that's, that's really, really cool. So, I mean, that's some sci fi. Star Wars stuff. Yeah, that's pretty awesome because I know just, uh, you know, I've never actually packed a real wound, but going through like the trainings and stuff where you're sitting there trying to pack and pack it like, yeah, it's tiring. It's a lot. That's a pain in the butt. You'd be surprised how much gauze you can. Well, I mean, you wouldn't, but you know, you've got a lot of gauze in those people. People are really blown away by like, That's only an inch and a half deep, and I literally got 12 feet of gauze in here, I'm like Yeah, that was the eye opener for me, taking the class, I was like, You're like, we're gonna fit this whole gauze into this wound, and I'm like, no, there's no way. And sure enough, you're just like, packing away, and I'm like, holy cow. It's like somebody who's had sinus surgery. You know, it's like, and they pull out this nasal packing and it's like the old magician scarf thing. It just keeps, they're like, where did you put that? And it's way up in there. Uh, but yeah, this new, this new vet jail stuff, whatever it is for people, I'm really looking forward to that. Cause that's, I mean, I, it's probably going to be an advanced practice thing. Like the X stat, you know, the, the compressed gauze discs, if y'all seen those, and that's been around for what the wet trials were done, like in, in 2012 or earlier. Oh wow. But yeah, it's like a 30 millimeter tube with like, I can't remember how many of these compressed gauze discs done it. And they had some with hemostatic and without, but they performed equally as well, just because the sheer amount of pressure that it puts on the bleed and they would like jam it into this big wound. You know, and, and put like two or three, I mean, it's just, as soon as it'll do a little gauze disc hit the, hit the fricking, uh, bleed, you know, it's like those old dinosaurs in the capsules, you know, you put in hot water and they expand and that's, yeah. And so boom, boom, and they would just expand super rapidly and put so much compression that it couldn't bleed. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. But they're like 500, 600 bucks and it can only be used by like paramedics and doctors and things like that, but they got a smaller one now as well. Or they did then, but they still do. Um, but yeah, that's pretty cool stuff, but it's considered an advanced practice thing. I'm just wondering about this vet gel stuff, uh, contraindications and stuff like that. But yeah, I'm kind of nerding out. Uh, over that, when I saw it, I was like, Oh, the medical nerd in me, you know, was awakened even more. So I was like that, that could be a game changer for what, what we consider a non compressible bleed. Right. So like anything here in the box. is considered non compressible because you can't turn to get the box. So what if you had somebody with like a frickin liver bleed, or they had like a mesenteric artery bleed in their gut, and you could just find the wound channel with your frickin with your frickin nozzle and boop! You know, squirt, squirt, and get it in there. I mean, that could, that could be a game changer, especially for battlefield entries are for people who are remotely located, like, um, like backcountry guys. Oh yeah. Africa dude. Yeah. Mr. Bear, Mr. Bear guy. A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, you're in a remote environment. When's health coming? Is health coming? So, and, and would it, and it could negate the use of, of what might have to be an entry that would be, you know, tourniqueted off and they could just use that stuff and then be able to, you know, self evacuate. Kind of cool, man. Yeah, it's very, very neat stuff. It's just exciting. Yeah. I mean, there's a new technological advances in this all the time. And it's, uh, it's kind of, I'm like, man, I'm just waiting for them to, you know, You carry your stem cell kit and grow your, you know, print 3d printer on heart or something like that. Yeah. The back to tanks from star Wars, you know, these drop them, drop them in the little tank and regrow your shit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what was that? And, uh, what was that? Uh, rebel moon. They had the dude. I didn't watch that. They had the dude and like the tank, you know, he had all his stuff plugged into him and he's like regrowing everything that got lopped off or shot off. Uh, was it district? No, not district nine. The one where they take, uh, Elysium, the little space station, right? They blow the guy up with the grenade and they like grow his whole body back from like a piece of his face. That'd be pretty rad. That's pretty cool. They 3D print the dude. Basically. I don't think we're too far off with some of that stuff. We're 3D printing meat. Like, they're 3D printing steaks over there, so like bleh. Oh, god. Have y'all seen that? I have seen that. Yeah. I have seen that. It's like this, like, it doesn't look great. They can keep their bugs and their 3D printed meat. I'll just eat mine straight off the cow. Yeah, I saw the one this morning or yesterday where they've approved for surgical use like remote robot like this remote robot and they were showing. Did you see that on Facebook? They were showing the robot making an incision in a kernel of corn, like making an incision and then stitching that incision back up all on its own. Holy. I mean, of course, the robot hands are like this big, right? How big is this robot? I mean, like the hands weren't very big. Is it like a nanobot? I mean, that's what I'm thinking. I'm like, that's what I'm thinking about that. Robots in in our veins. Yeah. Yeah. Have your little nannis. Yeah. They were talking, they were, they were showing it just, it made the incision a piece of fresh corn and then went in and sewed it back up. That is crazy. That's wild. So, I mean, yeah. What, what could we see in the next, your med kits gonna be replaced by like a little pouches. Robots. Robots here, throw, throw a bunch of tic somebody. Yeah. Stitch me up. They find the bleed, stitch up or you know, you're, you're, you're med kits of a freaking capsule with like 500 nanites in there and they go in there and find the bleed. Yeah, they can do it. So, if you're watching this in 2030, let us know what we have. No flying cars. Here we are. Yeah, flying cars. Well, I'm not even, I've got my, yeah, come out to Colorado. Everybody's flying in their car. Anyway. So you, tell us a little bit more about your online class. Cause that's something that's a new offering. Yeah. Yeah, man. Uh, we, that's one thing Canon and I talked about and he had the idea to do it. And he's, and so we went down to Scottsdale, Arizona and filmed the class. He came down and filmed it and he worked on it to make sure it was good, make sure everything was edited correctly and, uh, found the right platform for it, for online learning. Uh, and. It's literally, it's not 16 hours because obviously you can't do the hands on, but we encourage people, Hey, buy a training bundle, get you a training tourniquet, get the wound packing, uh, piece, because this is your, this is your dry fire, uh, for, for doing this, right? This is just your, it's your dry fire. You got to get those reps in to become proficient with it. And so every chapter is your module. Every chapter after every chapter that we do. We have the questions in there for comprehension based questions. Uh, and if you, if you, if you, uh, If you flub it, if you don't get 80 percent and you're not, oh, it's not going to, oh, sorry, you can't complete the rest of the course. Just go back and answer the questions. Yeah. And we just want to make sure people understand this stuff. So they, so they have some good comprehension of the material. And, and that's another thing people think it's, Oh my God, this is such hard material. It's really not. It's just, I think the way you present it, you can overcomplicate or, or, you know, things. That was one of the questions that I had for you was how, cause you don't have to have any kind of medical background at all to take this class. And you also give this, this same course to like law enforcement, et cetera. Like, how do you, you know, in a class, we'll just say in a class of varying, you know, proficiency levels with medical, how do you make sure everybody gets everything out of the, or something out of the class? I'll say that again. How do, how do you make sure that, you know, everybody gets something out of the class? And, and also, you know, when you teach, you know, classes to law enforcement and things like that, how do you change the class to make it beneficial to the different groups? Short answer, I really don't change the class. Okay, that answers my question. Yeah, I teach lowest common denominator in medicine. I don't care if you're a cardiothoracic surgeon, uh, that is in my class, you're going to get the same exact class that you, Tara, do you have any medical background other than, yeah, so. Just a couple classes. Yeah, a couple classes, uh, you know, um. Joe construction worker, he's going to get the same exact class that, that Dr. Bob would. And, and I'm, and that's another misconception too, is it, unless you've got some kind of prehospital experience, you typically don't have any exposure to tourniquet use or anything like that. So P I tell people, Hey, you coming out of this class with zero previous medical background before coming to this class, you're leaving this class with prehospital medicine than a doctor. than a doctor is, than a nurse is. So that goes into my next question. So with, you know, you talk about some you know, kind of complex subjects, so how do you make sure that you know, how do you make sure that, you know, someone who has no background is able to absorb and retain that information? No, that's a fantastic question, and I try, I like to consider myself a teacher more than an instructor. Thank you. And I'm not denigrating instructors to any, any shape, form or fashion, any degree. Uh, but like, um, I'll give an example. Look at Chuck Pressburg. He's a teacher. Dude is one of the most cerebral cats I've ever met in my life. Very, very articulate. Holy crap. And, but he can articulate what he wants you to do. And the why, and he can break it down to such a level that, because, I mean, he, he was a ranger, so he worked around some dudes that, you know, just point them in the direction and break it. You know what I mean? And, and, but, no, they're, they're super, Super cerebral and he could, he could, uh, he could explain it. And that's, that's what I tried to do. I try to take a complex, uh, I mean, I mean, come on, man, we could talk about hemorrhagic shock and I could, I could do a four hour lecture just on different mechanisms, different shocks, uh, different types of shock and nobody, nobody gives a fat rat's ass about, you know, the Krebs cycle. You know, what is a Krebs cycle? Who cares? Are, are you a biologist? You know, do you, do you need to know this kind of stuff? No. All you need to know is that if you lose blood, uh, that, that certain things happen inside the body. One of them being your, your body switches to a backup, a nasty, I call it a nasty backup generator. That's where we, we burn fat. for fuel are, and that creates lactic acid buildup, which leads to clotting problems. I don't sit there and call it, Oh, you have, you know, hyperthermia and acidosis and calligraphy, you know, I mean, our hypothermia, I don't sit there and talk all these 20 words. And that's another thing too, is you, if you can put it in, um, relative terms to people. Then they're, they're a lot more appreciative. You're not con I'm not condescending. I never condescended anybody. I've talked to people, not at people. And that's, I think that's where people will come out of the class. You're like, holy crap. I actually understood that. And a lot of it, a lot of it was honestly teaching this class. And I was like, how can I explain this? This is when Lily was my youngest, when she was like eight. I was like, how could I explain this to an eight year old so that they could understand it? And I'm not saying people have the mental capacity of an eight year old, but if you can break it down into easily understood terms, I think that you got to win right there because I think that's what turns a lot of people off from coming and taking a medical class in the first place is you're like, Oh man, because they may have taken a med class before and they heard all these big 20 words and the dude patting himself on the back or whatever. I'm like, dude, I, my ego is not that fragile. You know, I just, I'm a dude and if I, and if I suck, tell me how I can suck less, uh, you know, that's how I can improve the course, but I try to break it down to where people can understand this stuff and, and people, and I do a lot of analogies because I love analogies. Cause I think if you can use an analogy, I remember trying to explain. Carbon monoxide poisoning. And I was like, how the hell can I explain that? And I was like, okay, so you got these, your, your blood vessels are your railroad tracks and your red blood cell. There are these big red boxcars and carbon monoxides like this dirty hobo. Right? And the dirty hobo gets in the boxcars and he kicks all the clean hobos off. That's your oxygen. And so, and then the dirty, then all the dirty hobos are stuffed in his car and they won't let anybody else in. It's called a soup kitchen, by the way. And so, I mean, so I'm sitting here doing dirty hobos and clean hobos, trying to explain carbon monoxide, but it works. You know, and it's in a manner you can understand it. So, yeah, you'll remember that because, you know, absolutely. You know, I'm thinking about hobos. Now you're thinking about hobos. Not, not the weird way. I hope there's the soup kitchen, but yeah, that's, uh, that's, that's fine. I try to do that because one, it makes, man, it makes it so enjoyable. And I love teaching this stuff. And I think if people pay attention, they'll see that I enjoy teaching it because I believe if you're passionate about something, passion's contagious and people will pick up on that passion. They're going, Oh, so what's this nerd going to say next? You know, and they'll get, they'll get interested in it too. And I am a nerd and I love being a nerd, but it's, it's, I want people to get excited about this stuff because this is, this is real stuff, man. people can live or die. So, kind of a big deal. Kind of a big deal. A little bit. Usually, usually. Yeah. That's, that's one thing I, I really enjoyed about one of the classes that I, when I, when I was on the trail, one of the classes I would always sit in just cause it was a good class to stay in was the tea sipping class. Triple C stuff that they were teaching the, the trainees, you know, and all those, the medics that they would have come in and those instructors that we had at Leonard wood were fantastic at it. And I mean, you're, you talk about Lowest common denominator. That's 212 lowest common denominator sitting there on the, in the classroom, you know, or, or, or six year, however we broke it down in the classrooms, but they could relate that stuff to, to those trainees in a way that they would understand where, okay, I don't understand that whole Krebs or whatever you said was, but okay, you gotta, you gotta do this. You gotta keep them warm. This is why you're going to do it. Don't explain it. We're not going to go into detail on why, but just make sure this is why. Yeah. Right. And, and I didn't know you were lost in the woods. Oh yeah. For three years. Wow. That's pretty cool. I got a bite was up in Springfield. So, yeah, uh, and that's just, it's just it. If you can break it down to people caveman style without being condescending and get them interested in it, throw a little bit of levity in there. Cause God, man, medical hall can be like eating a fricking sawdust cracker. You know what I mean? You're just sitting there and going, and with no water chaser at all. You're just like, Oh, this is, this is great. You know, this is horrible. Uh, and, and, and it's just, you got to keep people interested in it. Otherwise your, your audiences, they're checked out. They're mentally checked out. If you don't throw some humor in there, listen for the next stupid thing comes out of my mouth, you know, my, my colloquialisms. Uh, but it's, it, that's what you really have to do. It's really great. It's like, it breaks up the class and it, like, it helps you retain the info too, because it's got like a funny. Way to think about it, you know, and associate it with that. So 16 hours. Yeah. Right. You're you're class two, eight hour days. Um, how much of that is hands on? Would you say like the last two and a half, three hours and people like, man, that's not a whole lot of hands on. What, Bro, you got to know how to do this stuff and why, why you're doing it. And that's one of the biggest complaints I've had in critiques. And I'm like, look, man, I know y'all might be thinking, Hey, I'm going to write on this critique on any more hands on. Well, that's cool. I'd love to give you more hands on, but. You got to know what you're doing instead of going through rote motions or just nonsensical motions just to just to put hands on somebody. Otherwise you're over there, uh, you know, octopus and all over somebody and it's just not, it's non purposeful movement and it's wasted, wasted movements. And so, yes, 16 hours. Uh, you do get a lot of reps on tourniquet use. Uh, when you come to the class and that's one of the first things I talk about and you get very, very drilled with the tourniquet. And so you're very proficient with that. The next day when we do hands on, you'll come into a class with absolutely no, no medical background, whatever. And the next day you're doing hands on assessment with your partner and doing a rapid trauma assessment on them and fixing an injury or two. So I'm not going to overload people and give them like a freaking mega code and make them crap their pants, you know, cause they're going to be forget. I tell them, I said, you're going to forget stuff. You got a cheat sheet. I give these little brown cards in class. So tack med tip card that I made up. I'm like, this is your whole assessment right here, man. This is the test. Yeah. And you're literally going to forget stuff with material right in front of you. Cause you're going to your own self out, but, but I'd rather people vapor lock. In that kind of situation, then they get out on, they get, you know, as Jared says, that's how you get killed in the streets, you know, so, uh, yeah, I, I don't want people to vapor lock. I'd rather in vapor lock in class and turned it into a learning opportunity than sit there after a real world incident and go, oh man, did I kill that person, you know, or what could I have done better? Right. Yeah, because you're going to self flagellate no matter what, because if you're, if you're, you know, you're going to critique yourself, but yeah, I mean, just. Don't, I'd rather you screw up there, because you're going to screw up in the real world. But like I always tell people, I'd rather you be doing something, maybe, maybe not do it all the way, you might not do it all the way right. That's fine, we're human beings, we're not infallible, but I'd rather you be doing something than nothing. Yeah. At the end of the day, because I tell people 16 hours, right? 16 hours. I got, that's a long time. Yeah. You know how long regret lasts, you know, rest of your fricking days. And so 16 hours is a minimal investment. I call it cheap life insurance, man. Just like that med kit. If you stage med kits, how many fire extinguishers do you have in your house? I'm gonna throw this out here. I got one. You got one. Does everybody know where that fire extinguisher is? Cool. Throw a trauma kit beside it. Every fire extinguisher you got in your house, throw a fire extinguisher or throw a, uh, throw a med kit beside it. And that's just something I think people are like, oh, I never really thought about that. I'm like, well, if everybody knows where your fire extinguisher is, when do you pull that pin? Yeah, you pull that pin when something's about, something's about to burn, you know? Somebody's potentially going to die. So you, now you know your med kit is co located with that. You got one spot or two spots. that you know, less spots to remember. Yeah. You know. Yeah. The the the few weeks ago, I was when I actually I think the first time I've ever called in sick here uh because if I'm sick, I just work from home, you know, like I was I was not getting out of bed and my my mother in law asked my wife, she's like, if you're You know, the girls are home with him. Like, do they know how to call 9 1 1 or what to do in an emergency? And so I asked Elsa and Elsa's like, yeah, I called 9 1 1. I asked Charlie and she's like, call Dr. Gerwitz, who is our Cairo, but anytime we're sick, we're like, load up. We're going to go see Dr. Gerwitz. Let's go get adjusted. She's like, we'll call Dr. Gerwitz. I was like, Not a bad answer, but not the right one. Not, not if I'm bleeding out, which may not be able to do a spinal manipulation. Yeah. Go and help me out. Thank you for doing that, for being a proponent of chiropractic for your kids too, because I've been seeing a chiropractor for years, both of my brothers are actually chiropractors. Oh, that's awesome. They both went to Palmer, uh, college up in Davenport, Iowa, graduated at the same time, graduated the same year. It's been a while. Charlie's literally seen Dr. G. Since before she was born, like literally seen her since she was, before she was born. And so like, there's a little video of Charlie when she was like two talking about, you know, if she feels bad, who do you call? And she's like, we go see Dr. Goetz. Yeah. You know? And so it's continued on. That's awesome. Yeah. That's a great, I'm, I'm a big alternative medicine, holistic medicine kind of dude. Yeah. What you got coming up besides, besides the class tomorrow, which is actually now six weeks. In the past, if you listen to this episode, this is not tomorrow. I'm so confused right now. Uh, no, man, we've got a, we've got a, uh, a full schedule, uh, for the rest of the year. We've got some, uh, I've been doing some corporate trainings, uh, with different like chemical plants, things like that. Increasing their readiness, their emergency response teams. Um, I've got two more of those, uh, those are in December down in Corpus, um, at a place, uh, in Corpus Ingleside, actually. And then the rest, yeah, the rest of the year we've got, we're going to be doing, uh, if you're out in Colorado Springs, when's this going to be aired? Probably five weeks from now. So we're talking about end of October, first week of mid October. Okay. So, okay. So, uh, October 26, I think is going to, if you're out in Colorado Springs, October 26, uh, Swamp Fox, Swamp Fox Optics, that's what I'm saying. They're going to be doing a Rocky Mountain range day out at Dragon Man's out near Colorado Springs. That's like literally, 15 minutes from my house, uh, Dragon Man's range are great folks out there, but yeah, they're going to, we're going to be out there. I have a booth out there doing little stop to bleed drills and things like that. So yeah, we just got training the rest of the year. Um, I'm heading to Michigan a couple of weeks, teach up there. Then we've got Scottsdale that we've got. I mean, I could pull up my calendar and thankfully we got, uh, when you get y'all on the books for next year, we've already got like 23 classes on the works for next year. I know already, man. I know that dude. I am. So, so blessed. I'm so thankful about that. I'm so thankful you're going to be at symposium again. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, man. So we're, uh, I was talking to Matt about that. Uh, and so whenever there's the next symposium, we're going to be there. So, um, yeah, that's, that's the thing. And just trying to get the word out to, to folks and keep it going. Uh, we got new products coming out and, and for Uh, who are looking on the website and going, Oh man, that's not in stock. Oh, that's not stock. Trust me. Uh, that is, that has been the bane of my existence for the last two years. Uh, we're working diligently with, uh, uh, with some other folks to try to get our nylon production up and people like, well, why is your nylon going up? I'm like, well, nylon is made from petroleum. Have you noticed what petroleum prices are? Things like that. Have you? been living under a rock. You know, you know, seriously, I mean, I don't, I don't raise it just because I want to. It's not just a, not just a, hey, yeah, well, let's let's let's gouge people. Uh, but we're, we're also working with another, another, some other folks, uh, good friends of mine that do nylon. So we're trying to increase nylon production and And get our lead times down from seven, eight months to seven, eight weeks. Nice. Cause I can't, it's hard for me to keep anything in stock. So, um, I appreciate people's patience and buy and everything like that. But yeah, if you're hearing this and you've been, you've been getting, getting pissed about waiting, trust me, I'm, I'm more pissed that you're having to wait because I don't, I do not like that at all. And so, uh, please, please hang, hang in there and use your HSA FSA funds for the end of the year, because yeah, that stuff is eligible for HSA FSA as well. Uh, we've got the correct merchant code. Oh, uh, I'm sorry. I'm kind of like a ADHD right now, but as far as the, uh, Fire extinguisher med kit. Uh, get, if you have, if you can do an AED in your house, throw an AED in your house, because those are also, you can get refurb ones from like Philips Heart Start is the cheaper one. You can, those are FSA, HSA eligible too. It's just, you have a lot of money left on your card. Buddy of mine did that. Uh, bought a, bought a defib. He's like, he's like, I'm getting old, man. It's like, aren't, aren't we all, man? Yeah. So yeah. So that's what we got going on. So sign up for a class, man. Y'all come, come check us out. We had the guy get approved for the, uh, the suppressor. His, his doctor wrote him a letter for hearing protection. Yeah. No, but he, he went full out. So he went, this is next level stuff. Like he went to, uh, like, like a hearing doctor or whatever. I forget what the correct audiologist. Yeah. That, um, but he has like a letter and stuff. He went, um, like he did a study on like how much it would reduce the decibels and everything. Like he's got like. Piles of documentation for it. Hallman needs to put that on like a, a shareable file. It's in the BTO for instance, Dropbox it to everybody. Like the whole, he's got a whole write up on it and he's got like comments. Cause they, people were like, well, what about this? And he's like, boom, got to answer. What about this? Boom. Got an answer. He's got like, people were bringing up like legitimate, like. Like, ah, they're going to get you. And he has like an answer for everything. And actually his FSA HSA actually approved it. Yeah. That is some next level shit right there. I'm like, this is amazing. I'm buying 500 suppressors. That is so freaking cool. Not that much. I don't have that much on that. If you've listened to us this whole entire time. Thank you, Carrie. Thank you for being episode one and episode 100. That's super, super cool. That is. That's very cool. Tara, thank you for your time today. And once again, to those of you listening out there, check us out at big text ordinance. com. There's a whole blog post now being put out every time we drop one of these episodes, and I am slowly working through the backlog to get that information back out to everybody where they can find it nice and in one spot. Uh, darkangelmedical. com to find anything from Carrie. We'll put the links below to everything that he's talking about in the blog post links to this episode. That's pretty much it. 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