Douglas Greig - Greig Performance Shooting

Join us for Episode 101 of the Big Tex Ordnance podcast featuring Douglas Greig of Greig Performance Shooting, a 24-year military veteran turned firearms instructor. Doug shares his journey from military service to becoming a "gateway instructor," focusing on teaching fundamental skills to new shooters and church security teams. The conversation explores topics like modern firearms training methods, the evolution of red dot optics, and Doug's approach to teaching students of varying skill levels.

Timeline:
00:03:00 - Doug's background and transition to civilian instruction
00:12:00 - Discussion of church security training and real-world scenarios
00:24:00 - Teaching philosophy and "Gateway Instructor" approach
00:33:00 - Evolution of pistol mounted optics training
00:41:00 - Women's firearms training and course development
00:50:00 - Future training goals and long-range shooting aspirations
00:54:00 - Non-lethal training and situational awareness
00:58:00 - Upcoming BTO training events and course scheduling

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Transcript

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I love that part where, what I teach now, I, with the, the type of instruction I do is, I didn't come up with this phrase, it's through the Rangemaster with, came up with, uh, Gateway Instructors. We're introducing people as their gateway into the world of firearms. And, uh, when they get that real excitement, now they're, they're building up their confidence and they're really enjoying it, and now you just turn somebody else in. Into the two way world and they were going to start buying their stuff and taking their classes and really enjoying their community. So yeah, I love that. It's been a while since I did this. Yeah. I was rusty the last one I did. I was like, what do I do with my hands? I was literally thinking of that. I'm like the, the old, uh, from, uh, Will Ferrell. Yeah. What do I do with my hands? I have no idea. Just keep them out from in front of your face. And the only thing I like, there's only really, there's not really anything that you need to worry about. Just try to stay in the same spot, don't like change a lot, because if you do that, then it makes, it makes it harder to edit, but it's all, we've got pretty wide views and then we break it down into four different shots. All right. Uh, and this will be put up on YouTube, um, Spotify, Amazon, everywhere. Two YouTube channels now. Yeah. I noticed that when I was looking it up, I was like, which one am I going to separate them that way? If we get banned, we don't lose like all the podcasts and stuff. Yeah. So we're transitioning right now to where we're going to put only podcast stuff on the podcast channel. That way, if they do ever come in, just finalize, Hey, you can't be on YouTube. Then we have that at least. In somewhere else be like, Hey, there's no guns on this, right? There's no physical guns on the podcast. So for that one episode. But there's, there's not right. Uh, cause we even had the deal, what, two, three days ago, um, Google apparently set everybody's permissions. Cause we use Google business, right. For our, our emails and everything and, and all that. And so. I came back in the office and the guys were like, Hey, we can't watch our own videos on YouTube. They had like, one of our videos is like embedded on a product page. Yeah. Showing like how to install MLock. And I was looking at the product page. I'm like, uh, the video says unavailable. I was like, did YouTube take our video down? Right. No, they changed the, the, uh, I guess the filters or whatever. Permissions were basically set to where everybody that worked for us. Was below 18? Yep. All right, and we didn't change it. It was like an eye doesn't get on there. I had to Google and spend like 45 minutes figuring out where the settings were, how to set it back. But that just goes to show you what Google's doing right in the background to make our content and anything that's over 18. So any political stuff. uh, any gun related content, anything that's they don't want to your audience. Make this whole business unavailable to it. Yep, and that's wild. It's crazy. Thought this was America. Yeah, right Yeah, everyone was like are we now allowed to like watch gun videos now at work? Yeah, yep, so yeah, we decided guns are dangerous guys, we don't want y'all consuming any firearms related content Yeah, cuz I messaged our IT guy and he's like it's not me dude. Yeah, I'm not doing it. I'm like, all right Let's see what's going on. Anyways, on that note, welcome to the big tech sort of this podcast. This is take two. So that's, I messed up on the first one. Um, I'm Ike, we have Chris, we have Tara and our guest today is Doug. Um, he's with us and he's teaching a class tomorrow at BTO range. Uh, so actually start off what class are you teaching tomorrow? And then tomorrow is essentially, it's my intermediate handgun class, but I gave it a nice fancy title called, uh, mastering beyond the basics, manipulations and accuracy. But essentially it's an intermediate handgun class. Nice. That's a one day class, right? Yep. So I guess, uh, if you want to just kind of dive into, tell us a little bit of your backstory and how you got started in this. Sure. We were chatting a little bit before, and it sounds like you've done a variety of things over the years. I have. Um, so the one that kind of got me into this field was I did 24 years in the military, did it in the army, uh, half national guard, half active duty. And, uh, when I retired, uh, I was trying to figure out what I was going to do with myself. So I picked up, I didn't even get into firearms really until after I retired and did a couple local matches and things like that. And just like most guys, like I'm a combat veteran, I'm going to go out there and show these guys how to do it. And I got my ass handed to me and everything I did. And I was like, I, Don't know what I'm doing. Uh, fortunately where I lived up in Vermont, um, we had six hour academy right over the next state. So after sucking for a year at shooting, uh, I wanted to figure out how can I get better and how can I do this as cheap as possible? Well, At that point, I was going through the VA process and I was going through voc rehab and I went to my counselor and I said, Hey, I want to become a firearms instructor. And she literally said, is that a real job? Yeah, yeah, it is. So she's, well, where are you going to go? So I said, I'd like to go over to SIG Academy, uh, talk to them over there. I essentially went there for almost three years on my GI bill. Oh, wow. So I didn't pay. The only thing I ended up paying for was just my ammo. Um, excuse me, my firearm, they paid for everything else for all that time. You can't anymore because I broke it. I did. I broke the system. You ruined it for everybody. Yeah, I did. So Doug's the one that ruined it for everybody. So yeah. Uh, right. Just as I was finishing up, uh, with all the instructor courses, they were, my, my counselor was replaced with somebody else who went, what are you doing? And how much did we pay for all this so far? And I let them know and they're like, Yeah, we can't do this. This is not okay. Hmm. Uh, so, uh, Essentially, you can still do just the instructor courses, but I had it so I could do every course they had and Yeah, so I finished up with that there and how many classes do you think you took like in total if you had it? At just a SIG or total or just a SIG, you know Oh, I've got close to 30 classes just there and I've got five of their instructor Certifications as well. So they kind of really laid the foundation of You what I wanted to do. Like, so I started out just wanting to really just learn how to shoot better during my time there and interacting with their instructors and seeing how they do things. I was like, these guys are cool. Uh, this is, this is, I want to be like that. And uh, cause I had always had that mental image of a firearms instructor, especially from military background, just yelling at you very strict. You're just going to go out and run a bunch of drills and come back. And, and it was just very regimented. And these guys were like, Hey, how's it going? I'm like, nervous. And, uh, like, yeah, come on, we're going to just teach you how to do this today. And it was just very personable. Uh, it was great. And I said, when I left, that's what I want to be like. I want to teach just like those guys. And it's just, it's taken off from there. And that was in 2015 I finished that up. So yeah. Cool. Did, are you still in Vermont? No, no. I've lived here for the last five years. Okay. Um, my son, uh, and my daughter from my first marriage, they grew up down here. So, uh, My current wife and I five years ago, but she's military retired as well. We're like, what are we still doing up here? It's cold and expensive and socialist. Yeah, so we packed up our stuff and came down here and What was it was a bit of an eye opener for me, especially in this field up there I didn't really have much competition as far as my background, the training I had. So I was teaching competition. I was teaching, uh, let's, let's throw on your kit and let's go run around vehicles and things like that. Uh, I came down here expecting to be able to teach the same things. Did not happen. Um, as you can see, I don't have the tactical beard. I don't have tattoos up and down my arms. I don't have a Delta Ranger seal sniper after my last name. So even though I could teach those things, I had the training in it. Nobody. Looked at me as somebody who could teach those so I met up with a guy by the name of Carl Renn Mm hmm. I don't if you guys know I don't care training He had me send him like I reached out to him said send me your resume Let me see if you're worth spending my time with sent to my resume He called me right back and said when he when can you come down here and shoot? I just want to see what you can shoot. I came down. He immediately says, all right, you want to be one of my instructors? That's fantastic. So I've been teaching for him since I moved down here. Since then, uh, you know, continued training on my own, things like that. But right now I currently teach for Carl. I teach for a company called Palisade Training Group out of Dallas, uh, primary church security and private security, that type of stuff. Um, I'm an instructor for TEEX for their, uh, uh, protective services division. And then I have my own company. So, I'm a little busy teaching right now. That's a lot of stuff. Yeah. So you mainly just travel like around those, that, these regions in Texas or? Yeah, uh, I've made it as far north as, as Longview and then up Wichita Falls up that way. Uh, I've taught up in Oklahoma a couple times now. Uh, all the way down to the Galveston area. So, yeah, and then as wide as I can go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Carl's a good dude. I've, I've talked to him multiple times. We actually, at a previous employer, we were one of the first people to host him for the armed teacher program that they rolled out a few years ago. Um, I don't even know if they're doing that anymore. Yeah, he's, uh, I help him with those classes every once in a while, but he primarily does those during the week. Uh, yeah, so it's, and then he's kind of, whatever he can't fill on his plate, he says, Doug, take those. And if you've ever engaged with Carl on the internet, he is a completely different guy. He comes off a little bit sharp, I'm going to say, on the, uh, yes. On the internet. Yes. And on Facebook. Yeah. He is not. Like that in person? No, he's very personal. Have you ever dealt with many engineers in your lives? So yeah. Carl is an engineer.. He will come across as an engineer. And once you get to know him, you're like, okay, yeah, I get it now. Yeah, I understand now. Yeah. Yeah. So, and he, he hosts some good classes up there too. He does. I know He's got Mosab, uh, Masada U. Yeah. Well that was just this last weekend. Did that this last weekend. Yep. And then, I mean, he's got some pretty good names that are always rotating through his range and then he's got, you know, the, the standard, uh, classes and, oh, what's his name? Um, John Dobb. Yeah. Yep. John. John teaches up there. Yep. Yeah, he's been down for a couple of our classes to, to take that we've had, uh, Yep. As a matter of fact, I took John's spot in the, um, Jedlinski class last year. He couldn't make it. So he, uh, that's how I, uh, finally took a Jedlinski class was through John. Fantastic. Well, I'm glad that we all are interconnected. Yeah. That's really cool. So after you got out of the army, um, you were up there in Vermont. And then what would you do after that? As far as, well, as I taught up there for a little bit, I was teaching private security and then just, uh, mostly competition, uh, as I was, I was getting into IDPA and getting into USPSA and things like that, uh, Then we just, I said, just, I was just being a retiree for the most part, enjoying life, uh, and then came down here and, uh, just, like I said, it exploded. Um, uh, one of the licenses I have down here is a level three, level four private security, and that kind of got me into working with a company called Intercon for a while. And I was teaching the level three, level two and three, uh, security officers for all the state buildings in Austin that was busy. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. That was really. Kind of an eye opener for a big city private security to see how things operate. Level 4 is like personal protection, right? And that's where, that kind of migrated into doing the church security classes that I do now. So that's what I really travel the most doing, is uh, church security. Uh, I've done, I've traveled doing a couple red dot classes and things, shotgun and rifle. But for the most part, I've been traveling doing private security. Um, excuse me, church security training. So with church security, is it like developing like, like a reaction plan and every, or response plan and stuff? Or is it, or like what all's involved with that? From from a whole group of people who want to do a church curing they have no idea where to start to all right you have a basic structure let's see if your structure works for you do your plans work for you that are part of your team are roles assigned properly and then we work on hard skills like the medical Uh, interviewing, dealing with people that are coming in that could be a nuisance, things like that. And then everybody always wants to start doing the firearms training part of it, which I highly, highly encourage, but I also have to give them some realistic goals as far as what they're, what they're getting ready to do with everybody. Everybody wants to active shooter training. Yeah. Yeah. And during the briefing, I'm going to show them that statistically that's almost. Nothing that you need to worry about, but then I will reverse it and say, you're carrying a firearm. What was the last class you did? Well, I took an LTC class eight years ago. Right. Okay. Maybe, maybe we should work on that a little bit. And that's what I get them to the point that, okay, now they see where they really are and what skills they need to work on to be better. Pulling a firearm in a crowded environment like that. So, which actually goes back to that. You have the urban defense class. So that's where that class was actually came from. So in September I have an urban, basically it's gunfighting and crowds class. Uh, again, I gave it a fancy title. So people would be like, Oh, what's that? Um, and break that, that class up into two parts. The first part of it is tactical anatomy. Think, think of where should I be shooting somebody? And it gets away from. The static cardboard targets, okay, so now there's a 3D aspect to it and where those shot placements should be. And then the afternoon is, okay, now I need to be accurate. How can I do that without hitting everybody else? And I call it earning your shot, making sure that when you fire that round, you're not hitting anybody in front of you, in the side of you, or behind that person when you miss because you're, you're going to miss. Yeah. I think a lot of times people forget about that. And that. the fact that, you know, when you, when you actually, you know, if you have to use it in a self defense situation, it could be, you know, other people. Oh yeah. It could be in a crowd and what are you going to do in that instance? And it's, it's true. Start blasting. What do they say? The law enforcement is, uh, 18 percent normally hit ratio. Uh, I've been doing a lot of alert training with some local law enforcement and, uh, let's just say their hit ratio is about 10 percent during those classes. And even then it was legs and arms. Oh, wow. Yeah. So it's, and they're trained professionals, you know, I say that because we know law enforcement doesn't get any really more training than the average person when it comes to firearms and especially the military that, you know, I was a pro at carrying that thing, you know, qualified once a year with quals, not training. Yeah, no quals, not training. No. And, uh, So yeah, that's what I'm trying to get that mindset into people that you know, okay Yeah, I can I can run out there and I can hit an a zone all day long. Can you hit this when it's moving when it's And I kind of there's people running behind and right, you know everything else that goes into and people that I have their hunters They understand that concept because when you go hunting right you wanted you want to Take care of that animal as fast as you possibly can you don't want it to suffer, right? and So you're going to aim for a specific spot. I want to eliminate the threat as fast as I can, so I'm going to try and aim for a specific spot. I don't blast rounds when I'm deer hunting. I'm certainly not just going to blast rounds if I'm trying to defend myself. So that's where I'm trying to change that mindset with people. I helped teach a church security class probably five, six years ago. Um, at my previous employer and I handled the firearms range portion of it and then we had a, uh, law enforcement guy handled the actual like the security portion of it and it was, so we did two days on the range and one day they did a whole day at their actual, uh, location or church or sanctuary or whatever, and it was really interesting listening to him go through and talk those points on that because they approached us because I had a student that was a, that was, uh, In their security group. And he's like, I want them all come in and, and you can teach us how to shoot. I was like, there's a whole big key that I have no idea about. Oh yeah. Like my background, my training has nothing to do with this. Like we don't, I don't do this, but I know somebody who does do it. Yeah. Uh, and it was interesting to go from the first day where they were showing up and I'm like, that's not going to run the whole time. The guy's like, Oh, it's going to be fine. Like, no, it's going to stop working. Yeah. I'm, I'm here. I know what I'm talking about and it stopped working. And so we, you know, to progress through that day to where, you know, we, I think we shot the FBI call at the start to get a baseline and most of them failed it. And then by the end of day two, They were all passing it and then Trent took over and did the church security part. But like, I had no idea that, like how many, uh, engagements that the security group might come into contact with, like distraught people, all those people coming in looking for help. You're just people wandering around that aren't supposed to be there. And how many interactions, like on average, a congregation gets like that, especially the bigger ones. Oh yeah. They really need trained, professional security at a lot of these locations. Yeah, they do. And I mean, I'll give it up to these people for volunteering and saying, I'm going to help keep my sanctuary and the people in my church safe. And the ones that I've worked with are at least taking that, being proactive, going out and getting the training. But I know so many that. Just don't like, okay, most likely you're going to deal with maybe somebody trying to break into a car or now protesters or something like that. How do you deal with that? They all want to just go out and react with those people and take care of it. Maybe sometimes just sit there and lock the doors and let the cops come. You know, they need to learn how to take care of those situations like that. And it's again, the active shooter thing is the least. of their worries, but still think I want them to be trained, proficient with their firearm. But you know, how do you deal with, how do you deal with the father that shows up? Who knows, you know, he's not allowed to see his kids, but he knows that his kids are there at that time. So now he's going to come in. How do you deal with that? You know, so they have to have that type of at least awareness and training if they're going to be on these teams. Are there different considerations or like, how much does it change between like a really small congregation and like a bigger, you know, Um, like the real estate. I mean, it's really what it comes down to. Do you have enough people to cover all the areas? And then what's your priority at that point? If you've got, you know, a 12, 000 square foot kind of smallish church. How many do you have? If you've got a 40, 000 square foot church? How many people do you have? Okay. I've got three people and I got three services, so I got one per service. Where are you putting them? Things like that. So, yeah, it's, it changes a little bit based upon each, each different location. Yeah. And you look at some of the mega churches around here and they'll have, yeah. Actual uniformed police officers on duty plus yeah church security volunteers plus paid security Yeah, yeah, and that's and that's a good thing to have so the guys that trained me on the church security aspect of it They have a decade's worth of experience with a mega church in dallas. So They kind of know what they're talking about when they're training me. And, uh, and having a law enforcement is key because especially when I was dealing with uniform private security, now all of a sudden, some of them think that they have the same powers as law enforcement and they're going to just immediately go to hands on people. Or chase people down things like that, dude, you're no different than I am. Except you have a uniform and a fancy badge. It says security on it. Uh, you can't go running down the road and tackling somebody. You can't just immediately, uh, you're trespassing. I don't care. Well. And then just grab him and start throwing, Oh, you can't do that kind of thing. This isn't Roadhouse. No, this isn't. I mean, as much as you want to be Patrick Swayze, you can't be in this situation, so. Or Jake Gyllenhaal now. Oh, yeah. He got the new one out. I haven't seen that one. Don't worry about it. Yeah. We watched it the other night. It was It was something. It was a movie. Yeah. Yeah, it was a movie. It was certainly a movie. Post it, right? Yeah. In the beginning he is like this, uh, like, uh, like Street Fighter or whatever. That's scene. I think that's got, got posty in it. So, so yeah. So that's part of what I've, my training down here is really focused now is well, private security and. Personal protection for the average citizen. You know, I said I went from teaching everybody, let's put our drop legs on, let's put our kit on, let's go run around vehicles and pretend we're back overseas. And, uh, I said I can't compete with the, the level of instructors that teach that down here. I said, and I, I really, the niche that I found now, thanks to Carl, is teaching the average person Who goes to now Academy buys that Ruger SR9C with their Uncle Mike's holster and they think that they're going to protect themselves, uh, show them, okay, this is, okay, first of all, we'll get, we'll get over the equipment and then we'll, we'll talk about skill level and what you actually need to know how to, how to use that effectively. How long has Carl had his school there? 30 years. 30 years. Yep. So it's quite an accomplishment. Yeah, that's a minute or two. Yeah, that's he's had it out there for a while. And, uh, it's, it's a, it's a nice location as far as, you know, anything out there, you can pretty much do any type of training. I mean, like I said, so for him, I primarily do his, his pistol mounted optics and his rifle classes. Uh, rifle can be a little, uh, challenging out there because the most I can go is. Close to a hundred yards and, uh, which is fine for home defense stuff when I'm teaching all that, but sometimes people want to just reach out a little bit further and I'm like, okay, we can go to the corner of the building over there. It's about a hundred, but we're not going back any further than that. So, yeah, that's a good confidence builder when you can stretch somebody out on the rifle. Oh yeah. A lot of these people that buy these rifles, uh, You put them together for the first time, or they, they buy their Anderson lowers and all this other stuff, and they're, I'm going to come out and train. They've never shot it past 25 yards. They go to an indoor range or something like that. And, uh, so I'm like, okay, come on. We're going to go back a little bit further. We're gonna go back. We get to a hundred and now they're shooting, uh, you know, a steel silhouette and it's going ting. They get all excited for that. So, yeah. That's I love that. Yeah, I took my buddy out to the ranch a few weeks ago He came down and he's a police officer up in McKinney, you know was National Guard He'd still never shot anything past 300 meters. No, and so I lay him down behind my gun. All right, here we go We walk all the way out to 300. I'm like, all right. Now, this is the next dot Yeah, put this dot right here. Dink four five six seven Seven, you know, too easy than, you know, how five, five, six starts doing, doing seven. All right. It's going to take us a couple of times. We're going to have to lob this one in here. Yep. Guess the wind. But it was fun just taking him out there. And that's a huge confidence builder for anybody to be able to shoot out distance. And that's, and that's, I love that part where, what I teach now, I, what the, the type of instruction I do is, I didn't come up with this phrase, it's through the Rangemaster people that I trained with, came up with, uh, Gateway Instructors. We're introducing people as their gateway into the world of firearms. And, uh, when they get that real excitement, now they're, they're building up their confidence and they're, they're really enjoying it. And now you've just turned somebody else into the two way world and they're going to start buying their stuff and taking their classes and really enjoying it and promoting themselves. Yeah. I love that. One of the things that I saw on your website is that you pride yourself in being able to teach people of all different skill levels, right? So how do you mitigate, um, Issues that arise, like when you have, you know, say you hold a class and you've got, you know, people have a, a lower skill level and then some of them is at a higher skill level. How do you make sure that all of the students in that class get, you know, the attention they need and everybody, you know, that's a great question. Uh, cause that was one of my frustrations I had coming up to all my training was I would take these classes where it's a three or two, three, four day class. And I was, my skill level is still kind of low and there's, you know, 15 to 20 people in this class. And I just put out two grand and I leave at the end of that. And the instructor has no idea what my name is. It doesn't even matter. So I, the way I mitigate those issues are I keep my classes small. I got to admit the class I'm having here tomorrow is one of the biggest classes that I have hosted, but I wanted to see if I could do it. I haven't done it for a while. I usually keep my classes six to 10 people. And then, so my son, who is also one of my instructors, we're going to We'll tag team the class and we'll be like, okay, these students over here, they're a little bit more advanced. We're going to put them on this side. We'll take the beginners on this side and we'll be like, okay, one, two, three, shoot who's taking who. And, uh, yeah. And, uh, so at first I was like, okay, you're going to take the beginner one so you can, you know, As he was coming up early in his instructor career, start learning to work with beginners and, uh, and I would work with the more advanced. So we still do that. In fact, tomorrow I've got three, three of us are going to be out there just to make sure that we can give that individual coaching. That's a good ratio. Three to however, probably 15. I got 15 now. Yeah, that's a good ratio. Yeah. And we're splitting it up. Uh, not only splitting up in, uh, teams inside the range, I'm going to take part of them into the classroom at the beginning and work with them there. So yeah, uh, that individual, individual coaching as much as I can, I think is one of the, uh, key parts of our business, the way we try to run our classes is I want you to feel when you left that class, not only do I know your name, but you've got that individualized attention to know that, okay, this is exactly I felt like I learned something. Right. And one of the things that I found in classes that have, you know, a broad range of skill levels is a lot of times the class has to be dumbed down to the lowest, you know, form of proficiency. And a lot of times if you're, you know, Not in that, that section, you know, you, you miss out on a lot of, you feel like you've kind of wasted your money. You know, and it's, it's true. That's the way I run my, a lot of my drills. It's the best way to put this. I, I like performance based instead of objective based training. So you and I may be doing the same drill. Okay. We'll do a build drill. Okay. Yeah. We want to get a two second build drill. Um, I'm not even going to tell you what time I want you to have in it. Your first time you run it, you do it at three seconds and I do it four seconds. The rest of the class. Now you're just going to try and better that three seconds. I'm going to try and better my four seconds. I don't want you to compare yourself to the. person next to you. Uh, and so that's how we try to keep our, again, why we try to keep it small, try to keep the individual coaching so we can be like, no, don't worry about what dude's doing over there. Yeah. Dude's been doing this for 15 years and I'm, I'm not even as good as him. We're going to work on what your skill level is here. So yeah. Yeah. That's good. Get your own baseline and improve off of that. Not some unattainable metric that somebody else. I think some of those goals are good, but while you're getting there, just worry about what you're, what you're doing. Yeah. I had a buddy a long time ago when I was really into the training community and we were talking about doing it and I was taking, I was taking like seven, eight classes a year, you know, uh, when I first got into this and he's like, it's like, here's the trick, Chris is like, Get to class early, start scoping out everybody and see if you can identify who's going to be the worst guy in class and then stand by them. Make sure you're on the fire and by that guy who's taking his holster out of the wrapper at the beginning of class, because he's going to get the most one on one attention the whole time. And you can stand there. You know, and gain more information of them rather than, you know, dude walks by and be like, good job, Chris. Yeah. Good job at what? No, like what was the good job? Yep. Good job. Like, you know, like, like, well, thank you first of all, but I need a little bit more input than that. You know? Exactly. Yeah. I've always enjoyed classes. I think the one that I've taken that had the most instructor ratio was when we went and did greed ops a couple summers ago. Oh yeah. We almost died. Yeah. Well, it was so hot, so hot down. Never teach at Wallace Orchard in July or August. Yeah. Because it's right by the river, the layout of the range, there's no air movement. We, it was the first class that I've ever, like, we went and stole the canopies and put them over the firing line. Heck yeah. Because it was so hot. Yep. And, but they had, I think Green Ops had like four instructors on, on site. And sometimes when you were shooting, you had two instructors, you had one just like watching your body and one watching the gun and then they'd go through and it was Hunter and Matt, you know, and Hunter would be like, you're doing, do this different with the gun. And Matt would be like, I. Your body was doing this and because, you know, as an instructor, like, okay, I'm going to do a drill or I'm going to have a student do a drill and there's almost too much stuff to watch. You're like, I'm going to pick up, let me watch the trigger. What are they doing with the trigger? But if I'm watching the trigger, I can't see what they're doing with their feet sometimes. So that's part of the benefit that you have with your video integration. Yeah, I was just going to say that. Yes, that's, that's. So the way we're going to start this class out tomorrow is I'm just going to have you shoot. Um, I can tell you. Don't, I don't care how accurate you are. You're going to shoot. I'm going to record you from both sides and I'm going to take half the class. We're going to go in the classroom. And like you said, I can only see so much. We're going to rewind it, go back, go zoom in and zoom out. Okay. Now I see your trigger finger here. Why did you wait to grip the gun way out here? Did you know you're waiting to grip the gun to your way out there? Things like that. Why are you drawing and doing this kind of thing? So, uh, and then, so at least it'll give them. A broader vision of what's going on, but then don't want to overwhelm them. And we're going to pick one thing. Okay. See this, see how your hands are doing this and you're going to grip the gun. We're going to fix that today. And then we're, and that's it. Watching tape is really cool. I mean, like, it's kind of like hearing your voice, like on your voicemail or something for the first time, do I sound like that? Is that me? That's not me, you know, like actually being able to watch tape and see it, you know, play it is. Yeah. And then I'll be able to email it. To them later on, if they want a copy, just to see how they did. So are you using coaches? I, yeah, I'm looking for an alternative because it's not supported anymore. Really? Yeah. I mean, it still works. It still functions. Just don't break it. Cause yeah, they're not in a business anymore. And none of the other ones I've looked at so far really have the features and everything you can do with coaches. Hi. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not gonna, yeah, I stole that off another instructor. Uh, do you know, um, Uh, Shrek McPhee, John McPhee. Yeah, so I took a class with him when I first moved here. And I was like, oh dude, that is awesome. I'm going to steal it. He's like, yeah, go right ahead. I said, I didn't invent this. He says, I took this from somebody, somebody else. I'm like, okay, cool. Yeah. So I've been integrating it in my classes as much as I can. And, uh, yeah. If I can show you what you're doing wrong in nine rounds compared to 90. Oh yeah. Exactly. So yeah, that's, and that's key. So yeah. That's really neat. Yeah. It's a, it was a cool tool. That's. Oh. You Unfortunate that it's not support anymore. Cause I know Shrek, you could at one point, I don't know if he's still doing it, you could video yourself and send him the video and he would diagnose and just, and do one on one as far as I know, he still does that. I think Scott did it for a while, but yeah, Scott was doing like a private video because you can do a lot that way. Yep. And, um, uh, seek Lander does. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Um, CSAT. What's his name? Oh, Paul, Paul was doing it for a while too. Yep. He still might be using it. So yeah, that's a really cool tool. It really is. I mean, it's not expensive. You just put it on your phone. Just make sure you make sure you have a decent phone when you do. That's the only thing. So yeah, if you're not videoing yourself, when you're training for other than IG purposes, you're missing out. You definitely are. A hundred percent. Yeah. So what's, what class do you teach the most these days? Like, is there any one that stands out? Pistol mounted optics. Uh, I get a lot of requests to teach that class. Um, a lot of private lessons on that because people, they're like, I don't want to look stupid in front of everybody else. Guess what? The person standing next to you says the same thing. Uh, and it's interesting because it really turns into a fundamentals class. I'm sure you guys have, you know, you've done the Jindalinsky thing. A couple other people I'm sure you've trained with. Uh, and I was talking to one student and I said, I'd give it about another year. And the red dot classes are just gonna go off to the wayside. It's just it's just a pistol class. Right. And that's it. Uh, I mean, when, uh, optics started coming out, red dots started coming out on our rifles. Right, everybody's like, yeah, let me train this on a rifle. When was the last time you saw a, a pistol mounted, I mean, a rifle mounted optic class? Yeah. At any point. No, you just pick it up and you go to the class. Uh, LPVO's classes are doing pretty good right now, but I think that's eventually gonna just kinda. Fall off to the wayside, but yeah, no, so that's the biggest one I do right now is a pistol mounted optics. Are we going to do anything with optics tomorrow class? So part of this class should give away all my secrets now. Um, no, no, no. Is Sarah with all the good questions. So, well, no, so, so like this class here, let's say it's my intermediate level class, and it'll still go into working with optics is Zach and I, my son came up with this class because we, we teach more advanced stuff. And we'd have students come to that class and be like, so what's your background? We always start out with, tell me about yourself. What have you done? Oh, I would consider myself intermediate to advanced shooter. Okay, we'll find out And you sure about that the first time the gun goes they're like I don't know what to do with this. And like, what do you mean you don't know what to do with this? So we, we just, the manipulations part, okay. How to reload the gun safely, how to clear a malfunction, all that stuff. So that when the gun decides to not work, they know how to get it back up working without going to the instructor. Who's trying to teach more advanced things. And then the second half of this class is going to be, all right, let's start working on your accuracy. If you just took a basic class or you've just been doing some stuff, let's show you some things that can help you be a little bit more accurate. And that's where we're going to depend upon what people bring to the class. Are they iron sights or red dots are going to take the iron sight people over here and optics over here and be like, okay, here's how you can be better with your iron sights. Here's how you can be better with your red dot. Now there's some things that are, that work for both shore, but there's some specific things I'm going to teach you with your iron sights that really don't correlate to your optic. And then, you know, one, so yeah. What do you say your splits are now, like between irons and optics in just a general class? It is almost all optics now, but I had a weird class not too long ago at KR that was almost all iron sights. And we all sat there going, What did we time travel back in time? Holy cow. What the hell's going on here? Yeah. So yeah, that was the pistol Amish class that we have. The, uh, I know Duffy John Dufresne, he was talking about how, I think next year. He's not doing a red dot class and like a pistol class. He's like, I'm just going to call it pistol because it doesn't make any sense. It's kind of implied that like, like, and then I know, uh, Aaron was talking about a little bit, but I think you're right. I think within the year, two years, we're not doing it. That whole difference is not going to be there anymore. It's going to be like, you might have started having an iron sight classes. Yeah. This is like, goes back to like the revolver classes. Yeah. Well, you say that in my rifle classes, people show up with red dots and they, okay, we're going to go to iron sights and zero your iron sights. Like I don't have it. I don't know. Either don't have them or they don't know how to use them. Yeah. So I was like, yeah, like, all right, let me show you how to, how to do this now. Good Lord. Yeah. So it's, uh, it's going to go backwards. Yeah. So backup iron sites at this point is, is, is more like a backup siding system. Yeah. You know, cause you do like, uh, I've got an EO tech with a 45 degree dot on it. I mean, like, that's my backup. It's another red dot. And then you've got, you know, you might have like an LPVO and a laser. And, and no red dot, and no irons, because it's, there's nowhere to put the irons at. Right. Yeah, a lot of people get wrapped around that, and you're like, oh, it's got to have irons. It's like, okay, well, I'm not out somewhere where I'm cut off from any sort of supply for six months at a time. Thank you. That's, be realistic about what you're using your rifle for, right? Yeah, I'm not going overseas. I'm not fighting people. I'm going to be in my house. I'm going to be at the range. I may be at a competition. I got plenty of stuff to support me. If my optic goes down, I'll, I'll, I'll be okay. I'm not going to get killed in the streets. So, like, I know one argument back in the day, which is like, what if you get mud? Like, I've seen more mud. I've seen more mud on the streets. You know, like crammed into the rear sight aperture or on the front sight post where you can't see. You can get mud on anything. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It comes off too. It comes off. We have the technology. We can if this. Yeah. Oh yeah. You can what if. Oh yeah. Yeah. Infinity. But yeah. What I need to do is I just need to go ahead and get night vision so I can just run backup lasers on everything. There you go. Do it. Yep. I agree. We had some full power pecs come through the other day. I know. I tried to ignore those. Yeah. I didn't get, I didn't buy one. I don't, I don't need that right now. I need it. I just don't need to spend the money on it right now. Those will come again. Yeah. They'll come back. We'll, we'll get more. Yeah. So what, what, awesome. What do you've got coming up? Like what, is there anything that you're working on that's cool or you got anything rolling out? What does your teaching schedule look like? So right now, uh, the gunfighting and crowds is the one, probably the one I like the most, and that's what we're doing here next month. Uh, then. Sounds like a really cool class. What's the date on that? Cause we'll get September 7th. September 7th. Yep. Okay. Okay. So Won't be out before this. Yeah. Sorry. That's okay. Um, Finally got a couple people signed up for that one, so I was really excited when I saw that. Uh, and that is a trend that's going up. People are waiting until the last week before they sign up. And you're like, am I going to have this class? Yeah, is it going to make it? Is it going to? Well, that's the thing. We have so many classes that we've been doing recently that, you know, you, I try to give every class the same amount of attention and I can't, you know, unless I'm just going to send out an email every day, you know. So, I don't know. We'll fill it, don't worry about it. But as far as what my focus for at least the rest of this year, uh, So Sunday I'm headed up to Vermont for my daughter's wedding for a couple weeks. I'm gonna teach some classes up in Vermont. And I come back. Weekend is right here September 7th doing that and then I've got nothing but private lessons and church security going to almost the end of the year Yeah, i'll be all over the state of texas doing church security But I would like to do if I could more, uh shotgun and handgun classes for home defense Everybody always says they want a shotgun class. I want a shotgun class and then nobody ever signs up for that. Yeah and uh I have to admit I was not a I did not think shotguns were all that great You during my military career because, well, they never taught me how to use it properly. And it wasn't until I started training with post military, I was like, Oh, this is a pretty cool weapon. It's pretty, uh, devastating in the right, right hands. And, uh, I'd like to develop more classes on applicable skills for actual personal defense in the home and the average person walking the streets, you know, the What do they really need to know how to use? What do they really need to know how to do? And I think it just depends on how you market it to, or who you market it to. Cause um, I do multiple ladies groups at the range and they are always wanting, I mean, I always ask them, you know, let me know what we want to touch on and it's always home defense, shotguns, you know, things of that nature. Well that's how I ended up with the girl and the gun. Uh, and meeting you out there was, I'd say a majority of my students in the last three years have been women, easily, wanting to learn a gun. Everything from, hi, this is a handgun, all the way through, okay, how do I draw off my purse, which I'm not a giant fan of, but I'll teach you how to do it reluctantly. And uh, that's why I tell him, I was like, if you're not going to carry on your person, if you're dead set, at least you're carrying, at least that's something I always go over why. Yep. The challenge I have with those classes is I'm not a woman. Oh, yeah. They want to be trained by women. So, uh, that's, that's been a bit of a, my wife might call me a little girl sometimes. But no, it, uh, but yeah, that's, that's been my key, uh, uh, Market in the last couple years as you've seen with everything with the whole girl in a gun thing I mean, it's just exploded. So well, I think that has to do with your approach to teaching too You know, you're not having the the barking instructor, you know, you you keep it very that that was one of the things Like I said, I prefer the word coach Compared to instructor. Right. And if, if you read on my website, I say I don't like the red shirt with the instructor across the back. Right. And, and if you come to me and everything on you is labeled instructor, I kind of already have a, a feeling as preconceived notion how this is gonna go. Yeah. And when I got my job at Teaks, the first thing they did is they brought me in the back room and handed me a jacket and a red hat and a red shirt all with instructor all over. And I was like, I died inside . I did, little Martin was like, I said, I was never gonna do this. I was never gonna wear this. So, but yeah. Well, we'll get, we'll get that email. Uh, I looked at my calendar there. I'll be shooting QP in San Antonio on the 7th. Oh, nice. Um, but we'll get that out on our email blast side. Okay. A couple times for you. No, uh, absolutely. And then See what we can get to promote that class. And if you're coming back in, we'll get you to do some content prior to absolutely. Yeah. You usually come down day before I assume, or where are you located? I live two hours from here, but, um, I have learned to do anything firearm related in the state of Texas. I'm driving two hours minimum. So this to me, it was just a normal, I'm going to go drive down to Conroe today. And yeah, it's no big deal at all. That's how it is. I mean, like we'll drive two hours just in Houston. Yeah, exactly. Yep. Yeah. It's to go shoot. Yeah. Go to the ranch. Oh yeah. And that's what we're going to get into. That's what, uh, I'm teaching every weekend now between now and the end of the year. I'm actually going to kind of pull back from that a little bit next year. Um, because as you guys know, teaching, how often do you get to shoot in a class? Yeah, not happening. It's not. And, uh, luckily one of the groups, uh, Palisade that I belong with, we, we, we meet up every week, every Wednesday and practice. Oh, so that's my shooting time. Uh, but I want to start getting back into competitions. Like one of the things I've never done is three guns. I'd like to try that. See, see how I do with that. And, uh, get back into just shooting. Remember, this is why I got into this field was because I was shooting. Yeah. You get into this. Everybody seems to just shoot all the time. It's like, well, no, not really. People always tell me you work at the range. You must shoot all the time. I'm like, no, that's not how that works. I work at the range. Exactly. I remember I work. Yeah, I work there. I don't play there. Do you do any competition classes? I, I will do a, like an intro. So if you're somebody who is looking at IDPA, USPSA, USPSA, Steel Challenge, things like that, uh, it's actually one of the classes I give at KR and I kind of do them on my own. It's like, okay, we're going to, here's some essential skills that are going to help you. You should know how to do competition versus defensive and yeah, shooting with my friends out in the pasture. Um, and then we set up little stages of different types of competition, give them a little bit of a sample, a buffet of, of each of those. And, uh, and I can, I'm confident enough. I can get you to a, a master level. I I'm not a grand master DM, so I've, I got to figure out how to get myself there first before I get you there, but I can, I can get you to the point that you can compete. Comfortably and have a good time there and understand what's going on. So at some point i'd like to do that class at the at the have that at the yeah the range We have a we have the texas outlaw matches every wednesday So we have tons of people doing competition. I've signed up for maybe three times. I don't want to say it just Something happens. I just don't make it down. But no, I saw your name on the list Some of my students do that class now, and I'm like, so how is it, yeah, you need to come down and shoot, and I'm like, yeah, I know I do, but I'll get there someday. Yeah, no, it's, it's a lot of fun. And aren't they doing They're doing USPSA classifiers now every once a month, once a month, I think it's, I'm not even gonna lie. It's, it's once a month. I think it's the third week, but don't hold me to that. It's fantastic that they went and did that. And they're actually sanctioned classifiers. So, I mean, you don't get that a lot or where you can go and shoot a classifier. All the time. Yep. Uh, but luckily here in the Houston area we have that available. Yep. Plus a couple others there. You can shoot a classifier if you want. Oh yeah. So there's my, my uh, how do I split my time? Wednesday night you have your outlaw match here. Carl in the summertime runs. Wednesday night, USPSA, and then the Palisade guys, they do their class, their, our practice on Wednesdays, which one do I pick? Yeah. So I'm going to start rotating it through them all. And like I said, Carl, he's been doing the classifiers. In fact, I think the one he just did last week was nothing but classifiers. Oh, nice. So, yeah. Carl's been shooting USPSA for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. He's a GM, but even he'll say, I mean, he don't, and I'm not, this is no draw. Nothing derogatory against Carl. Carl can shoot. So don't even, but he has told me, he says he was old GM standards. He says he's not sure he could make the new one that the, you know, the way they do it now. Is this like a percentage of everybody else? Isn't it? Right. You have to. Like GM isn't like a, just a flat bar. It can constantly change based on if the tide rises, so to speak, you know, you have to, yep. And I mean, that's just it performance. Now you think about what shooting was like 15, 20 years ago compared to today. Oh, it's phenomenal today. I love seeing that there's so many people involved in it and the level that everyone is shooting at now. I mean, good Lord, it's a, it's a, what a time to be in this field, you know? There was, there was some dudes at, uh, Brennan's class a couple of weeks ago at Gateway Defense that we had down here that when I went in to, to check on the class and say hi to everybody, there were some dudes that were in their very early twenties in that shoot. And that was like their second class they'd taken. Or you go in there and Chuck's shooting, doing a class and there's two or three guys in their early twenties. Yeah. Like, I wish I could go back to get into this, you know? Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Two things I wish I had done in my twenties. Started using firearms recreationally like this and buy land. Buy apple stock. Exactly. Um, yeah, you see these young kids come in these classes and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna break it down to you like this. And they're like, like this. No, I'm like this. Yeah, yeah, like that. You're already beating me and this is your second hour of the class. Yeah, the skill level. My daughter's starting U of H this, this week and, or on the 19th and so I, or next week. So I told her, I was like, you know, you've got to, got to practice. You got to come every week. You know, she'll be like, I don't want to go. And I'm like, sorry, it's mandatory. Now you're in the middle of third ward. Like you're, you're, you're going to do this. So. So, uh, what classes are you taking coming up? Do you have any, like, on the, on the calendar that you're planning on? Um, I just, well, I just took the, uh, the Palisade Training Group has their Level 2 Church Security Instructor. So I just did that Saturday. Oh, nice. And that was, I'm going to say, Church Security Combatives. Combatives Light, learning how to use, um, saps and jacks, how to use, uh, knife defense, how to basically, if somebody's, if somebody decides to lose their cool, how do you take them down without hurting yourself and everybody else? So that was a pretty cool class. Uh, for the rest of this year, I didn't Don't have anything on the schedule, but that doesn't mean I've got probably over a hundred hours just this year already. So, I mean, it's, it's just constantly popping up. Something pops up. Yeah, I'll take that. Yeah, I'll take that. Uh, but it's, it's kind of hard again when I'm training other people, when am I going to take my train? Yeah. And so there's sometimes I'm like, Zach, you're going to go teach that and I'm going to, I'm going to go play. I'm going to Some rifle classes, some training, and I've talked about, uh, green ops. I would love to take their LPBO class. And I talked with him about it. And he and I took a shotgun class together and I was like, dude, I want to take your LPBO. He's like, well, sign up. And I'm like, well, what is it? I don't know. Okay. I'll keep looking at the schedule. Uh, but yeah, no, I want to, I would love to take some more rifle classes. Uh, Especially long distance, um, I'll get you out to 400 after that. That's somebody else's world that I don't know very much about and I would love to learn that aspect of a rifle shooting. Highly recommend Bruiser Industry. Okay. Joe Dawson, we've had on the show, we've hosted him twice. Um, I was actually putting together an email about his class that they're having at the ranch in January. Is, uh, one of the guys out there already got him booked in. Um, but it's, I mean, phenomenal class. He's doing a precision rifle and precision carbine again, back to back. And I've taken that combination once, but I've taken scope carbine twice twice. Right. And like, I'd take it a fourth time, like have no problems going because I know I'm going to pick up a ton of information, you know, taking it a fourth time, like, absolutely. Yeah, no, I would, I would love to start getting into more of that aspect of it. I said, as I'm getting older now, my shooting has, it's slightly better Going into the boomer world, I can tell, because running around with my hair on fire shooting at things has become less exciting and, and more, I just want to lay there and, uh, shoot. I'd like to learn how to do that, especially when it's 105 outside. Right, right. The last thing I want to do is go running around, uh. Oh yeah, long distance is fun, man. You get to lay down, you get to shoot that thing way over there in the shade. It's awesome. You don't have to walk to the target all the time. Yeah. You're not going down fast enough. You got the spotting scope thing that you can see way out there. Yep. Walk down and paste everybody watching for you. Yeah, I think, I think one of the biggest takeaways was when, you know, uh, from Joe's class, when we did the precision rifle part was like selecting the right tool for the right distance and how easy just a caliber change or a whole platform change makes that shot at like. You know, five, five, six at a thousand and you can do it. If the wind says I'm below, you're not doing it right. So you're having to wait for that perfect window. But if you get on something like, you know, a six, five creed, you're like, okay. The wind dots, which one? Okay. Okay, cool. First round hit. Just too easy. That was on ATI, but yeah, but the selection of the tool at the distance makes a huge difference when you're out there, when you're trying to buck wind and call it. Yeah. I would love to get into that. I said, that'd be next year's goal is to start taking some classes myself and broadening my, my bucket of skills and learning how to do that. But yeah, as far as for classes, I give rifle. I'd like to. Get more rifle classes going, home defense related, uh, women's related training. Um, a lot of what I do also now is non lethal stuff. Um, I also teach, uh, again, I'm not, I'm not a tac med guy. Uh, my background with that was, uh, combat lifesaver in the army. I've taken a bunch of training with that and then. use those skills where applicable. Um, so I do the American Red Cross first aid CPR, AED stuff, a lot of stop the bleed. Um, so I, I like taking that with some OC spray and non lethal use of force for people. I love teaching that type of stuff. And, you know, so again, not everything has to go to the gun guns, my world, but. Not everything has to go right to there to teach people how to navigate life in the parking lots and grocery stores and gas stations and how not to, you know, go home, how to go home safely from that. So, you know, which I have a good story with that. I felt so bad. So Saturday, I said, I took this combatives class. So my awareness and everything was up to here. I was ready to go. So I stopped at the gas station and I'm filling up. And I happened to just look around and here comes a guy about where that camera is to me and he's coming at me With his hand out and I did the whole stop right there my hands all up and he's like, oh, what's going on? And I'm like, just what do you need? He's like, dude, I just want to tell you you have a nice truck He's like we saw it from across the parking lot. We just want to say I you know, very well dressed or anything But I I went full on right at him and he's like, sorry, dude, I just want to tell you a nice trick. I'm just going to back off now. I'm coming at you right now. Pepper spray. Exactly. I was like, I'm ready to get you. That's awesome. So. Where can people find out more information about you on social media and your website? Yep. So my website is gregshooting. com. Um, I will admit there's not a whole heck of a lot on the schedule right now, just because it's a lot of private lessons and things like that. Uh, but I'll update that as much as possible. I do have a Facebook page that is half personal, half business, and it's also gregshooting. com. I need to get better with social media. And that's one thing I am horrible at. I will, I'll get into it a little bit more, Just let it go. Yeah. I almost need a full time person for that. Uh, we have a YouTube page. I couldn't tell you the last time it was updated. It's years ago. Uh, but again, I'm working on that as well. Uh, and which is one of the things I was really excited about being able to classes here. I tell everybody, you guys like the marketing geniuses. I mean, every there's BTO stuff everywhere. And I said, if anybody's going to be able to promote a class, I give it's going to be you guys. So yeah, when I, when you said, yeah, well. We'll host you. And I was like, Oh my God, really? No. All right. And, uh, yeah, cause I say you to, uh, teach classes down in this area before and their version of, uh, promoting my classes was, well, for 200, I'll, you know, put a text message, uh, text, uh, blast once for your class. Oh man. And I was like, that's it? Yeah. So no, you guys have been phenomenal as far as that goes. So we appreciate you coming down. Yeah. Yeah, we really do. Tear what we got to come up on schedule after this will probably drop Second or third week of September. Oh goodness. You're gonna put me on the spot. Yeah, we have a lot. There's a lot Let me let me grab my phone Counter snagged I uh, yeah, I was super excited about Uh, well, so, so I met her at the girl in a gun conference and one of my students, she was like, she was like, yeah, I'll introduce you. And I'm like, are you, you sure you, I don't wanna make this sound bad, so, and, uh, you have to make an appointment. Yeah. Don't forget your headset. Yeah. We had, I messaged the guy the other day who had commented on a post on our Facebook, and then he's like, uh. He, I added him as a friend. Mm-Hmm.. And then, I mean, he, the dude spends a lot of money with us and so I, I just reached out, I messaged him. I was like, Hey man, wanna let you know that we, we we're, I took your suggestions and I'm gonna do that on the website. Yep. Thanks for the feedback. And also I. Dude, thanks for, thanks for being such a great customer. And he's like, Oh my God, the VP of big text messaging me. You know who I am? Like, yeah, I know who you are, dude. No, it's a, it's a big thing in the, in this area. Yeah, it really is. So hard work paid off. Oh, it certainly has. You're talking about classes. Cause yeah, right now I, my next one is, you know, September 7th. I'd like to get some more on here. You know, whenever. Whenever feasible, she's the person to talk to, you know, I've got you. Just let me know. We'll get it on the direct line now. That's right. So, you know, obviously on the 17th, we have the performance shooting. We've got, uh, our girl in a gun. So we do the girl in a gun. Uh, we do it twice a month. So next one we have coming up is August 27th. We've got dark angel medical on September 7th and eight, that one is almost full. So. If anybody's going to get in on that, they need to hurry up. September 7th, we've got the urban defense, the crowded environment class. We've got September 13th, uh, another girl in a gun event. September 16th through the 20th, we have our HK armors HK week. Yeah. Um, I think all those classes are almost full. Uh, so I'm not sure by the time if this gets released, if anything's even going to be available. And then we have, uh, on the. is the H. K. Vendor Day and then we've got the locks training center in October 19th 20th. We've got Mojave coming, Mojave, uh, RTO Basics coming back in November. I need to take that. That sounds like a really cool class. I do too. He asks me every time, you know, he's like, are you going to take it? It's like the third or fourth time and I still haven't. Well, when the hurricane came through. Our cell phone service went to shit. And like, I was like, man. That was the first thing I thought about was this would have been a perfect time to, you know, have that class at my building. We all pulled out the radios, we're all within range. We're like, are you good? Yeah, we're good. Then we've got the, uh, we're doing a shadow systems armors course. Oh, cool. 26th and then we're going to have their vendor day on the 25th. So that's, uh, that's the latest and greatest. That's fantastic. And I'm going to wrap this up with a note of what you said, and I'm gonna look directly at the camera on this guys. If you think about, if you're thinking about signing up for a class, don't wait for the last minute, sign up for it, put it on your calendar. If something happens. And we cancel the class, you're going to get a refund, but waiting to the last minute to sign up for the class may mean the class gets canceled. Exactly. Because there might be 10 people waiting till the last minute, but there's always a cutoff date. And yeah, that's usually the difference. Cause the outside instructors weren't, they're not all like, they don't live two hours. Some, some it's got to book flights, hotels and rentals. So do the instructor a favor and book early. That way they know they can make the plans. Uh, we help them out a lot of times by having them come in a day early and do the podcast and do content with us. That helps them out a lot. And, and we filled classes, you know, they're like, well, you know, we only had six people, but I knew I was coming down and do the podcast and I knew I was coming to do content and so I did it anyway. Well, they had six people booked. And then like within the time, like the last week or two, that'll double. Yeah, we had, we had a class it's, it's upcoming that they were about to cancel. They're like, we have three days and if we don't fill it, we're going to cancel it. I was like, well, you know, there's a whole side note to that, but I was like, So, you know, just give it a little bit of time, trust you got to believe within, within three days they were like, okay, we're doing the class. So it's like, you know, there's, there's a process, so sign up for the process, please. Anyway, thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you for your time. 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