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Armed and Ready: Real-life Self-defense Stories | Michelle Waldran & Bonnie Lanzarini
What happens when you reach for your gun in a life-threatening moment only to realize you don't actually know how to use it? This raw, honest conversation with firearms instructors Michelle Waldran and Bonnie Lanzarini reveals how their own terrifying encounters transformed them from casual gun owners into passionate advocates for proper training.
Michelle shares her heart-stopping moment at a gas station when a knife-wielding attacker approached her car window. Despite having access to a firearm, she discovered in those critical seconds that she couldn't operate it properly—the holster was still on when she pointed it at her assailant. Though the attacker fled at the sight of the gun, the experience left an indelible mark. "Before that, I thought you know, I have my gun, I'm fine... And that's all I can remember, like I didn't even know how to pull it out."
Bonnie's wake-up call came during force-on-force training when she couldn't access her purse-carried firearm quickly enough during a simulated attack. These pivotal moments led both women to dedicate themselves to becoming proficient and helping others—especially women—avoid similar situations.
Throughout our conversation, we explore the false confidence many new gun owners have, the value of competition shooting for building skills under stress, and the unique challenges women face in firearms training. Michelle and Bonnie bring refreshing humor and authenticity, from stories about Michelle's viral "tactical spoon" videos to their shared mission of making firearms training more accessible and less intimidating for women.
Whether you're an experienced shooter or just considering firearms for personal protection, this episode offers valuable insights into the psychological and practical aspects of defensive training. Subscribe now and join our community of responsible, empowered gun owners committed to ongoing education and preparedness.
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His hand was in his hoodie pocket and all of a sudden it went up and I saw something shiny. So I know it was like a kitchen knife, I don't. I mean, it was just that split second and I saw him coming really fast and I just opened that up and I pointed and the holster was still on the Glock 45.
Speaker 1:But he knew what it was, obviously, and he took off and I mean, it was just like two seconds Before that I thought off and I mean it was just like two seconds, wow, Before that, I thought you know, I have my gun, I'm fine, I'm going to just pull it out, point, pull the trigger, and that's all I can remember, Like I didn't even know how to pull it out and how the heck, am I going to pull the trigger in that holster Exactly?
Speaker 3:Welcome to the Big Tech's Ordinance Podcast. I'm Ike. We have Tara, our co-host today, and then our guests today are Bonnie and Michelle, so y'all drove down from Dallas-Fort Worth area.
Speaker 1:Yes, Well, actually I live north of Tulsa, so I drove to her and picked her up.
Speaker 3:I didn't realize you were that far north. I didn't either. I say that far north, it's only Oklahoma.
Speaker 1:Everybody thinks I'm in Texas, you know, because I'm always here, Like all my friends are here.
Speaker 4:So I thought you and Bonnie, like you know, live next door to each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, we're like five-ish Five hours away.
Speaker 1:I'm five hours away.
Speaker 3:And another four hours to get here.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:It's like are we there yet?
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, so I guess if y'all want to start, bonnie, we can probably start with you Just a little bit about yourself and kind of how you got started in the industry and kind of and all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my name is Bonnie Lanzarini. I'm born and raised Italian. I've been in the US about 12 years and I just became a citizen two years ago. Congratulations, thank you. Yeah, that's probably one of the best days of my life being an American citizen and I got in the industry. Probably let me see 20. We were talking about it in the car like figuring out.
Speaker 1:Hey, when did we meet? When did we meet?
Speaker 2:yeah, because I got in the industry 2020, I think. In the industry, talking about, like in the firearm, you know passion and training and all that was about 2020. I did my first training lesson in May 2020. And I've owned a gun before that for a while. For like protection, like wanting to carry, and the reason I got into it is from my bad experience, like a bad marriage and just wanting to protect myself and my daughter decided to purchase a gun. And then I started.
Speaker 2:I started asking people reaching out, like hey, I was like it's about time that I take a lesson and actually go learn how to use it, not just carry. And I did my first lesson in May 2020 and I kind of I was hooked, I loved it, but I also realized, oh my god, I'm caring every day, I need to. This is scary. It's like I need to know how to use it, be proficient with it. So then I decided to do I think I did two lessons a month. I decided to go to my instructor, kind of I said, okay, I want to do, and I'm going to do it every two weeks. So I'm going to go take a lesson and become better, more proficient.
Speaker 2:And I did that for a while. And then I was also looking online at examples and she came across and I was telling her hey, this is the post that I saw from you in May 2020. And I remember seeing her and I said I want to be like her. Oh, I know she was my example of women out there in the firearms industry that I really looked up to and I said I want to be like her, I want to be just. You know, she was my example and look at us now. I know right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like what is this girl? Yeah, she started following me. Yeah, 2020?
Speaker 2:2020, yeah, around, probably 2019, 2020.
Speaker 1:And I thought who is this girl? And then when I kind of looked through her Instagram, I kind of felt, exactly I knew that something happened and this drove her. And that's kind of how I started my journey too. I worked at a gun store many years ago and before.
Speaker 1:It was really cool to work at a gun store, and then you know, before smartphones came in, I'm like I used to do cool things but I really didn't go and train, because when you work in a gun store, you're behind the table, you're doing paperwork and I noticed back 2013 is when one of the ladies you could tell she was really scared and she was with her husband and he was showing her. You know, he was a Glock guy, so he was showing her these big Glocks and she was just like I just can't reach you know the trigger. And I don't like that. And she's like, well, can I look? And he's like, yeah, go look. But he would keep trying to get her to go to all the glocks you know. And, um, I was walking by and I was doing inventory and she was like, hey, you work here. And I was like, yeah, and she said, can you help me? What do you carry? And at the time I was like something shiny and I'm like, uh, it's a 380. She's like, which? Which brand? I'm like they don't have it here.
Speaker 1:And I got to a point where I'm like, man, I need to figure out, you know, what am I carrying? I don't even know what I'm carrying and that's kind of how it happened. I threw my gun in my purse for the first five years because, like, I wasn't really comfortable and at the time when I started they didn't really have too many options for ladies. You know it was. I had an Uncle Mike's, which is nothing wrong with it, but you know, I was trying to figure out where to put it and I thought, you know, it's more convenient to just throw it in my purse. And I did have a separate little compartment, but I never trained with it and something bad almost happened. Something bad almost happened.
Speaker 1:And that's when I realized that, ok, I need to figure this out, not just trying to help some other lady figure it out. But I'm like for me. So that's kind of how I started, just training. And then, like you said, I just got addicted to it, because the more I train I'm like, wow, you learn little things at each class and you're like, okay, I feel confident and got to a point where within a year, I figured out how to carry and that was kind of like my mission to just Facebook, like, hey, if I can do it. And then I just kind of accidentally stumbled onto competition because I wanted that stress factor into it. So and everybody's like, how did you get? I'm like I'm not really sure. I just shared my passion and this works. This doesn't work, and I was always a customer first, yeah, so.
Speaker 4:So I'm going to take a step back. You said something bad almost happened. Do you want to?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so when I was working at the gun store on the weekends, they asked us, you know, like hey, you want to go travel to Gunch? I'm like yeah, I love traveling. And it was in Indianapolis, it was right at dusk, it was around April, may, so it was kind of warm At the time. It was my boyfriend. He always, like every time we got in the car, he said don't forget, I have a gun in the middle console.
Speaker 1:And I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. And I remember he went in to get water or something for next day the show and he said roll up your window. I'm like it's hot, I'm fine, just hurry up. And I remember just looking up right as he went in and there was a guy with like a gray hoodie on coming around and I just kind of look back, I'm not sure what I was doing.
Speaker 1:For a second I thought he was going into the convenience store and I look back up from doing whatever and he was coming towards my side and I had the window cracked about like that and I remember just looking down because his hand was in his hoodie pocket and all of a sudden it went up and I saw something shiny.
Speaker 1:So I know it was like a kitchen knife, I don't—I mean, it was just that split second and I had my purse in the back flap floorboard and I was like—I didn't even think about that. The only thing I thought about was the middle console, because he said it all the time. I saw him coming really fast and I just opened that up and I pointed and the holster was still on the Glock 45. But he knew what it was, obviously and he took off and I mean it was just like two seconds, wow. Before that I thought you know, I have my gun, I'm fine, I'm going to just pull it out, point, pull the trigger. And that's all I can remember, like I didn't even know how to pull it out and how the heck am I going to pull the trigger in that holster Exactly.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of made me realize okay, I need to figure this out, I need to make sure that I know at all times where my handgun is. So that's kind of how I started here. I am working at a gun store with all the guns and I didn't have mine. It was back there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's so scary. Thankfully, what caused me to actually change the way I carry didn't have anything to do with something horrible like that, but I ended up taking a force on force class and we were going through these different scenarios and one of the scenarios was purse carry and you know I didn't always purse carry, but you know if I was feeling lazy or whatever it's just easy, just chunk it in there.
Speaker 4:And so, you know, I went into this force on force class and my goal is to win Right, even though that's not an actual goal. But you know, when we're setting up for the scenario, they're like you know you're going to carry this purse, you know we're going to go through this whole deal. So I was like all right, so I hadn't the purse, I up. They're like set it up however you would, I had it where I would, exactly I could, I could get it. And I was. I was like I'm just going to keep it right here, you know. And so I have my purse and I was like I'm just going to keep it right here.
Speaker 4:So whenever the scenario started, you know, we went over and you know it was actually like a cafe set up or whatever, and I was having lunch with somebody and then, you know, somebody came up and they actually shot the person. They were acting all irate and then we were just kind of looking at them and then they ended up shooting the person that I was with. So at that point I said, you know, I got up, grabbed the purse, went to grab the gun, could not get it out, could not get it out, I ended up having to throw it just through the gun in the whole purse.
Speaker 4:You knowid it across the ground ran but got behind the car by that time, you know guy's gone or he could have done something else, but that was like that was really like my aha moment. It's like, yeah, you know, I'd rather somebody carry than not carry exactly, but you know it's the responsibility too, with a purse.
Speaker 2:That's why we talk about the only way we would ever, ever carry off bodies in at least a sling-like bag, because at least it's attached to you, it can be snatched off of you.
Speaker 1:When you first start, your mentality is totally different, totally different. You get a gun and you have ammo in that magazine and you're like good to go, but you don't think about. When I first started, I never thought about. You know, I'm like I'm good to go.
Speaker 2:And I always thought.
Speaker 1:I would have my purse, but it's just that split second Like I think the whole scenario that happened was like two minutes within two minutes.
Speaker 2:And the other thing that I say to your point the more you train, the more like you're learning little bits and pieces. And that's what happened to me and that's why I dedicated myself to right always go out and train, even if I don't have an instructor. I go myself and I keep training.
Speaker 2:Because the more you train, the more you realize and you put in scenarios like force on force or put in scenarios where you're actually acting, certain scenarios in the public where you have a like a bad guy, but then you have other targets behind that are like the innocent people. When you're put to that test, you're like, oh shit, I shot an innocent person. So in your case and I always say, if you're in a car, in a parking lot or in a gas station or where you have other people around, If you don't have that mentality, I'll just take my gun out and shoot. But what if right behind there's a child or a woman or someone and you accidentally shoot an innocent person? That's where, the more you train, the more your mind starts thinking about these scenarios and the importance of being proficient.
Speaker 4:And there's a lot of people that that you know say that you know like competition and things like that don't translate over into self-defense. But I mean, just to your point, like it just makes so much sense to to do anything and everything you can.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and that's kind of range and train right, and that's kind of why I, when I was training, and I took another training class, another other, but everything was just standing still, or you would shoot from here and here in a perfect condition, where you know it was sunny and it's inside your waist, but it's like what if you were what? I was in the vehicle? You know it's like, are you going to be able to clear that firearm to you know? For I was in a gas station, right, and the only thing I saw was him, nothing else. But my mentality was different at the time. Yeah, and it's so hard for, I think, women, I don't know. I'm sure there's statistics where you know like nothing can. I'm like it won't happen to me.
Speaker 1:And I was kind of in that. I knew it did because we watched the news and it happens. But it's like oh, I don't go out at night, I try not to go out at night and you know just little things like that. But like bad guys are all around even daytime.
Speaker 4:It was like 4, 35, 30, something like that when that actually happened one of the things that kind of you know triggered me to carry every time, you know, all day, every day, if I can was there was a. It was Halloween, like I don't know, probably like seven years ago. But I was going to pick up, I had I was missing a piece of my costume and so I was going to go over to a friend's house and borrow that piece and I remember running out the door and I forgot my gun. And I'm like to go over to a friend's house and borrow that piece and I remember running out the door and I forgot my gun and I'm like you know, it's like I forgot.
Speaker 4:I was like I'll only be gone for a second, I'm just going right down the street and coming back. So got in the truck, went down, going down, lived in at that time a very affluential, you know, very upscale neighborhood and somebody came up behind me, tried to run me off the road and they, they behind me, tried to run me off the road and they they literally the whole way down, you know. So I'm dodging, trying to get and there's really nowhere to go on this street. So we ended up, you know, coming up to a red light cars coming. I had to stop. He gets out of the car, he goes and punches my window, tries to pull me out and end up just blowing the you know, just blowing the red light, cause I had there was no other.
Speaker 3:there was nothing else to do. I didn't want to be option. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:So that was, you know, definitely an aha moment to be like you know I need to not be, you know yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's the thing that right now, it's like you know, I, I got my certification to, you know, teach, and it's since 2013,. I'm like, how do you? You know, so I my day job. I own a medical spa and I do hair. So my clients you know we have a lot of time while their hair is processing for two, three hours.
Speaker 1:Talking about, you know, because they know what I do and they're like, oh, every time, every month, or, like you know, four to six weeks, when they come, I need to take your class. I need to. My husband carries and you know he hunts, and you know it's like I need to do it. I'm like, let's do it. I'm like, well, I got this and I got that. And I'm like, you know, and I know it's hard because I don't have children, and then you know you have children and you have so many different activities that you have to be involved in as a mom, but it's like this is so crucial, but I don't know how I don't know if I want to use the word scare women into like you need to do this, but it's so hard, yeah, so I'm still trying to figure it out.
Speaker 4:I'm like I'm trying to educate people, or like if you're scared of firearm, there's other non-lethal ways to go about it so yeah yeah, I actually run two ladies groups over at the range and I I find myself when I'm talking to them. I try to tell them. You know like I'm not trying to scare you, but you know, these are the things you know that I've either experienced myself or things that you know I've heard from other ladies and I don't, I don't want anybody to have a situation.
Speaker 1:And it's like I guess you, just since you don't experience that feel, feel I'm rubbing off on you.
Speaker 2:Please keep that in the video.
Speaker 3:This is definitely negative. This is really the interesting, so.
Speaker 1:I guess you don't experience that fear factor, Right? But I mean, like how do you get women to just I think of, and it's a shame I just think of.
Speaker 2:I'm out there with my daughter, 10 year old, and I'm just the thought of anyone wanting or possibly hurting her and me not being able. I need to know how, even more than me, I want to be able to protect her, to save her, to do at least do anything in my power to just protect her from any harm from someone wanting to hurt her or me, but I think with you she sees that what you're doing to protect you know, and things like that.
Speaker 4:How old is she? Ten, ten. Does she train?
Speaker 2:I've tried. I've tried to push her to it. She's come a few times. It's not her thing, she's like Mom, but it's boring. It's boring, but maybe one day at some point she'll maybe want to do it. But I don't want to push her to the point where she's going to resent or like just reject it completely.
Speaker 4:So I did the same thing with my daughter is. You know I let her shoot and you know we take her out every time I go. And then she, when she was really little, she, she kind of liked it.
Speaker 3:It was fun because I'd let her shoot the 22.
Speaker 4:But then once she got a little bit older probably around, you know, 10 ish she's like I don't, I don't want to do this? Yeah, she doesn't and then, um, you know, I just kind of let her, you know, do it at her own pace. And now you know she, she enjoys it.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's good she was like she did enjoy it too when I took her when she was little yeah same with the 22 and like, but now she's like okay, you know, I'll you see me do it maybe when she'll come around at one point I want to maybe learn it or come with me or train some, but I'm you know, go at her pace yeah, we all go through the stages, but she sees and she's made comments before, it's like, um, even it was at school or something.
Speaker 2:There was something that had to say why your mom, or something about why your mom is, or your parent. You think they're a hero, this and that, and she, just because she goes to the range and knows how to protect me, she kind of wrote that down and I was like oh, it was like so it's kind of you know that they see, oh yeah, what you do, even when you think they're not looking exactly they, they know they kind of.
Speaker 2:They see your dedication, they see that you're doing it for a reason to protect her, be able to protect her yeah so it's like oh so I want to jump off track a little bit, I'm okay.
Speaker 4:So the spoon. How did that come about? Oh my gosh, I don't even know how that started anymore. It's, that's actually what was like, like made me fall in love with you yeah, I remember we took the combatives class with paradox and you showed up.
Speaker 2:I always carry. I always carry a mini one, by the way, it's like I have one in my car, a little travel size. I always carry, like your concealed carry spoon.
Speaker 2:This is my concealed carry spoon. It's funny because at shot show last year it's like unexpectedly, like people were just like, hey, do you have your spoon? I was like could they take a picture? I was like this is funny. I don't remember, honestly, how it actually started. Started with the spoon, but something about talking about the chancla and it's like, yeah, you know chancla with the spoon, but something about talking about the chancla and it's like, yeah, you know chancla and the spoon and it was like a maybe like I remember like growing up kind of having like my brothers being chased with the spoon or with something from like grandma and like the ants I definitely got chased with the spoon I remember that and it was just it's like hey.
Speaker 2:And then I think it's like hey.
Speaker 1:And I think it's like hey, you ran out of ammo, here's a spoon, use anything.
Speaker 2:And I just like that. One day I went to the range and I'm like, hey, I'm going to just try throwing this at the target, See how it works. And you can actually see my surprised face when the spoon actually went through the target and I'm like huh.
Speaker 1:Use actually went through the target and I'm like huh that's right.
Speaker 2:So whatever you gotta use to survive right. And from that video I think it was just kind of it's. I think it kind of started. The trend started from that particular video.
Speaker 2:It was kind of just a joke right it was just yeah, it's kind of some of the other things like the best thing just started as jokes and then it was kind of like the video. Everyone liked that video and it was just kind of became a thing. It's like the spoon became the thing and it was just hey, it's I don't know. It's like italians and spoons. And then mexicans are the chanclas. People like, hey, you need to go back now and try with the chancla, which I tried, but it's does it's not as good, it doesn't have the same effect, not the same effect.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I love the spoon. I absolutely love the spoon. That was like I said. That was one of the things that made me like absolutely, you know, adore you. And then I started looking at more of your videos and I was like, oh you know, she's actually kind of a badass, so seeing that's kind of how like we've.
Speaker 1:You know, I started seeing what she was doing and then I got to a point where I'm like, because the Dean Adams, you know, concealment carry and. I try to like get all of the scenarios and if I'm wearing a certain outfit, you know, because you don't just have one Right One you know, you know and thank goodness that all the companies out there now it's like you have so many different options and a lot of the men are like man. I'm so jealous because women have so many options now.
Speaker 1:You know like hey, I'm going to wear a bra now for that flashbang holster. You know that kind of thing. I wish I could have you know. So I think that's when I first started and I'm like, and I'm goofy, I'm goofy and, and I'm goofy, I'm goofy. And I just post what it is and like my competition. I was just talking to her about it and I'm like you need to shoot this outlaw match and she's like I don't know. I'm like I'm serious Because I never shot a match.
Speaker 2:I never did competition. You never did a match in my life.
Speaker 1:You're going to have so much fun. Well, not only just fun, it's a game, it's a gaming thing, but I mean it kind of helps you Like, if you have, and that's what I told her. I'm like I love it when I go to a match and I have a malfunction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know all the shooters are like. And I told her me too.
Speaker 1:I actually love when that happens and they're like no, you shouldn't. I'm like no, I love it Because you know, get it in battery and go and I, that's why I shoot, you know, not, I'm not it's not like I'm gonna win a car or anything like that well and it's, it's really good for shooting under stress.
Speaker 4:Yes, I get. I mean I get so nervous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think because I get, I get in my own head. Yeah, I go train and it's always me. You know, I go train early morning. There's just me and the targets and the drills that I do. But I mean, I do classes, but same it's for me. It's when there's someone else there that they're actually like looking at you. I get in my own head and I get stressed. And then it's like you mess up and I'm and I get mad at myself because I, I'm better than that, I can shoot better than that, but it's shoot better than that, but it's the stress.
Speaker 2:And that's why they say then that's why you need to do it, because you learn to just perform under stress and you need that you get out of your own comfort zone. And it's necessary, I'm excited.
Speaker 4:My first match was out at the Michalik Ranch. Yeah, so Kay was my squad leader and I remember I was, you know, first stage, I'm getting ready, and she was like shoot her ready. I said no.
Speaker 2:She said no too, I'm like.
Speaker 4:I don't know she did it. I said it like two other times and she goes. Well, you're going to have to get ready.
Speaker 1:You got two minutes go.
Speaker 4:Was it Babes, Babes, Bullets. It was Battle Buddy 3 Gun oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it was super fun. Yeah, that was fun, but it was so intimidating. Oh, absolutely. But when you get one out of the way, it's like the people and you're always going to keep getting nervous. Oh, I'm like extremely socially awkward.
Speaker 4:Just to begin with. So, like every time I get up, I'm I've got the shakes and I'm like everybody's staring at me oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's what I thought too when I was new at it, like four years ago, going to the big classes where, as a woman, it's like yeah, you're like you show up and it's like 30 men and you're the only girl and it's like so intimidating at first because you think everyone's going to look at you, but then you realize no one's actually. No one's looking at you.
Speaker 1:Everyone's there, everyone's focused on themselves and everyone is so nice and encouraging you and it's feel like I'm going to look stupid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what stops a lot of women, and men too, I'm sure, but that's what stopped. As a woman, we know that that's huge for us. Like I'm going to look stupid.
Speaker 4:It's so embarrassing so you don't do it and it stops you from growing and getting better. Because absolutely, and I know you know, the firearms company or the firearms industry has come a long way, I mean, at least from what I've seen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, you know just, it's still not perfect, but it's still not perfect, but you know there's a there's a lot of you know spaces, like, for example, the outlaw match that we do.
Speaker 4:It is such a welcoming community. So you know, like I said, for a match I get all super nervous and you know, crazy, you know get all nerved, nerved out and you know they're OK, calm down.
Speaker 1:You know you got this, yeah, and they're so supportive and that's why I you know, not just the shooting, competition, part of it, but just the camaraderie, and I'm like, oh shoot, I didn't. You know, like my first second match. I'm like I didn't bring enough ammo and they're like we told you you like to. I'm like, I know, but I have no idea how I shot all my extra ammo and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna quit.
Speaker 1:They're like, no, you're not here, shoot my ammo. I'm like, really, you know, and that's why I kind of stuck with it, because the camaraderie and right, you know they want, they cheer you on and it's like crazy yes, everyone's really supportive, yeah and you just want to keep doing it and keep doing it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, until you can't do it anymore, I'll do it in my cane yeah, also one of the things you'll see you know, if you've never done a match before is you'll see a lot of people. You know they're, they're going super fast, but they're really not hitting anything yeah, so hey that was me.
Speaker 1:Intimidated by that.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's still me, like I look so good, I get so nervous, like I was telling her I went to the range last week and it just the fact of having like just my fiance, like stare at me oh yeah, from I'm like yeah and I ran the drill on my own and I perfect. And then, of course, as soon as someone is staring at me. I'm like, I miss, I'm like I get in my own head so much I'm always doubting myself, it's okay. It's like you're good, you can do it.
Speaker 1:And I think that those kind of emotions I kind of feed off of it, because you know I never wanted to video myself, but it was a seasoned shooter. Like you need to video yourself.
Speaker 2:I do that yeah.
Speaker 1:Because you will look back three years from now, five years from now. So now I'm like 10 years kind of into competition shooting and when I look at my first video I'm like wow, I go and I'm like you know, I'm not okay shooter yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, it'll be fun I know, I know, I know it'll be good for me because that's my thing, just that I get.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I need to get over the who cares who's there to watch you, who's not there?
Speaker 1:yeah, because and it's all part of training, it's all the stress induced.
Speaker 2:That's the best thing to learn and grow right, exactly, and nobody's judging you no, absolutely not yeah and that's what I realized too. I was scared the first classes I did because I thought everyone was there and you're it's to. They judge you and stuff. But no one does that. Everyone's there to learn.
Speaker 1:Everyone's there, it's super supportive and it's and that's the thing, like when I, you know what, when I post matches or contents or whatever and they're like, oh my gosh, you're so funny. I'm like I, I mean, we screw up all the time. You know, you see the perfect, you know shooter on Instagram.
Speaker 4:It's like no, that's not reality. Right, I'm struggling. It took 15 takes to get that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I'm struggling and you know, it's like each time I shoot a match, it's like Like you know exactly if this gun is right for you or if it's not, and you kind of figure things out each time. Each time you get better and better. And then you know it's like you work on fundamentals and I haven't touched, you know, my guns in six months. And Monday I did a training with Gritter Gear and they're like, yeah, join us. And we did all back to fundamentals. I'm like, oh yeah, I remember now, but you know it's just a continuous thing and you build on it. So yeah.
Speaker 2:And like, like she said about, like she was happy when she got a malfunction yeah, I'm the same, because I train that stuff so much and it actually came out during the combatants class with it, with Ruben, the first one that I did down here. I remember that first round. I think the only reason that I was able to like come out of that round the way it did is because I had a malfunction right, and I didn't even know that I was able to clear it until later they told me that's what I did and I looked at the video. Yeah, but it's one of those things that you train so much that it becomes just you don't have to think about it if it happens, you just tap rec or whatever the malfunction is, you just automatically do it.
Speaker 1:And that's why the training aspect is so important, because, yeah, and they always say on the stress you fall to the level of your training yeah, in competition, you're moving and you're like barricade and you know like you have to get in different position, and it's like that in life scenario too. You're not going to be just standing there, perfect, going, okay, you're ready. No, that's not going to happen. And that's why I kind of love it, because I'm like what just happened? Like well, I was trying to shoot, you know, around the wall and I just limp wrist right now and you just look at things. I'm like, ah, so that's something that you can't do on your own or on a perfect range day, you know, doing training until you shoot competition. And that's kind of why I shoot competition to. You know, go along with my everyday life.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, you also write too correct. I think someone in here you know got nominated for a Gundy recently, Maybe.
Speaker 1:I know I'm like what, who me?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I had no idea.
Speaker 1:I you know I'm always preaching, saying things and, um, women, um, outdoor news had reached out years ago. I, when I first got on Walter's shooting team and it's like so, tell us more about Michelle. And it kind of started with that. I'm like well, I'm a hairstylist and how did you get into it? And I just kind of talked about my life story and how and build on that, and I think the first article was like 2015 is when I wrote it and then they approached me again and then they're like hey, do you want to keep writing stories?
Speaker 1:I'm like, okay, I'll try. So when I was at the range day primary range day I was like, okay, I'm doing an article. I'm like, how do you get her, either a man girlfriend, how do you get her out to the range? And we did that. I'm like, how do you get her out to the range? And we did that. Like I'm like, how do how do we get her out? I'm like, and so we're just kind of talking like, so I want to do like a little video of like how I would get my girlfriend to go out. And I'm like I would drag her. And she's like, okay, you could just drag me.
Speaker 2:I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna drag you to the range so we did that video where we're in at home first and she drags me across the room and then it ends, transitions to her dragging me at the range literally like and I'm like you're scratched up.
Speaker 4:That was hilarious.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of how I you know I'm like you know, like my younger sister, it's just me and my younger sister and I kind of dragged her out to the range. So it's like right, that's what you do. But you, you know, you talk about, and you talk about it kind of like with my clients, like we need to go, we need to go, and it's like okay finally, like get in the car, we need to go. Sometimes you have to kind of do that and then they enjoy themselves and it's like a bug and that's kind of how I happened to me. So so I'm kind of writing articles about my life dragging people.
Speaker 4:I love that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I just kind of stumbled on them. I'm like I'll just keep writing. That's awesome. Yeah, I'm glad people are like you're so funny. I'm like, well, I mean literally I've dragged a couple of girls out there.
Speaker 4:So how long have you been shooting for Walther Since?
Speaker 1:2015. I joined the team in June of 2015. But when I first started I was a chapter leader in 2014. My local range in Tulsa I had a chapter. I was a chapter leader and when I was taking out, we had once a month, every Tuesday, and I thought what are they doing over there in that bay? And they had a US shooting academy where they had the three-gun nation. That was my home range.
Speaker 1:So Lana, michalik, taryn, butler and Diana you know, muller was out there and I thought, okay, I hear pistol. And I just started just getting the bug. I started advanced training in 2013. And then I got the ladies group a year later, uh, advanced training in 2013. And then I got the ladies group a year later, so like 2013-14.
Speaker 1:And then, uh, brian Corey, who built all the the stages for Three Gun Nation, they did the Three Gun Nation and then next day local was able to do this Three Gun and they're like just come and shoot. I said, well, I don't, I have a pistol. I do have a rifle, but I have, like this, everything is tactical. Because I kind of come into the tactical, defensive side and he's like that's fine, bring yours, but we can, you know, use mine and I just I'm like, wow, that's the first time I actually shot while running and gunning. So I just kind of got the bug.
Speaker 1:And then I went through so many different handguns because my hand is small but I needed a full size and I started with my Glock 19. So you know, I'm like snapping. They're like girl you need to get. So I was in search of that perfect handgun. So, january SHOT Show 2015, I ran into two ladies and they said come visit our booth. It's like OK, they gave me the card and I was like huh, I went back to the hotel. I'm like wait a minute, walter, is that like 007? So I showed up at noon and she said here's our gun, just play with it and just think what you think and just let us know we're not going to influence you, we're not going to talk about it. And so my main problem was being able to reach that mag release button without having to. And this is what.
Speaker 3:I was doing just kind of shifting my, you know breaking up my grip.
Speaker 1:And so the first thing I gripped on, I thought, and I noticed I'm like wow, that is a large button. And I went, boom. And I was like I can reach it shit.
Speaker 1:And I was like, oh uh-oh, here I am cussing walter arms, you know 007. And I was like, oh my gosh. And she's like that is the reaction we wanted and this is what we need for everybody to know that we do have a competition gun. So two months later, they're like you have a shooting resume. I'm like what, we want you to be on the shooting team. Like yeah, but I, I'm like an okay shooter. So here I am.
Speaker 1:They're they're just like you know, just spread the word. We want women to get involved, you know, and purchase their own gun. So here I am. I'm not really sure how I got there.
Speaker 4:That's awesome. How many competitions have you done? If just a guesstimate?
Speaker 1:I used to do one every month back, yeah, and then, uh, you know, just getting my business last two years, covid hit me really hard and I shot a three-on match um the year before and I severed my rotator cuff, so I've been kind of babying that. But before that I was shooting every every once, every month, traveling every month all the major matches.
Speaker 1:Brownells, you know, I went all over the place and and then in between I was taking training classes and teaching and having that well-armed woman, but I got to a point where I'm like, ok, I'm, I got to stop something.
Speaker 3:So physically.
Speaker 1:COVID kind of hit me hard. I was on oxygen for like 33 days. Oh wow, 24-7. So I kind of slowed down, but I'm kind of coming back and I want to get more into it. But I think teaching is kind of I'm going back to my teaching because that's my passion.
Speaker 4:Yeah, same here.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, well, I'm glad you guys are going to shoot the match tonight.
Speaker 1:I know I'm excited.
Speaker 4:It's going to be so fun.
Speaker 1:After your first stage, you're going to be fine One match it's yeah, you'll get the bug right. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:What guns are you all shooting tonight?
Speaker 2:My Glock 19. Yeah, we're going to do concealment. So.
Speaker 1:I don't really have.
Speaker 2:I have a Glock 19. I have a 43X. My funds go on ammo so I can train Exactly.
Speaker 1:So I'm shooting the Walther PDP, the 4.5-inch Nice, I'm going a little bigger. So right now, since we're into the winter months, hoodie, sweatshirt big so I'm going to try to carry that, the actual gun that I'm going to be shooting. It's going to be my winter carry, so we'll see. It'd be fun yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's always fun shooting your carry gun in a match, you know because you're used to use that gun.
Speaker 1:You know I like it's good to have a competition gun too, I think. But like also, you know, training Well, and that's kind of like what we do is like show, and I was thinking I'm like, should I shoot in this? I'm like I might break my neck or something. I'm going to break a hip, but I mean, that's what we do is like you've got to train or actually practice the way you carry.
Speaker 2:yeah, that's yeah, that's why I've done several videos going to the range, even in dresses or skirts or high heels, because if I'm carrying that way, I need to be able to right go out there and actually be able to shoot at a target, even in uneven surfaces or wherever you may be. So it's that's why she?
Speaker 1:was contemplating, just wearing that because I mean, if we carry?
Speaker 1:like that, let's practice it and that's the thing that you know a lot of us, especially when I first started. You don't ever go and train. You put on your range gear, you know, and your range bag, and you get out of your range bag and you know, shoot a few rounds, a few magazines, like I'm good, but then do you train the way you carry. So that's kind of how I kind of merged into when I first started. It was kind of like tactical kind of stuff, training more of me, training, showing that I could you know, if I can do it, you can do it go train. And then I got the bug with the competition. So I I was doing all the competition and then now I'm kind of going back to kind of like how I started, focusing on ladies and trying to help them be more confident and train with what you have that's good stuff good stuff.
Speaker 1:I'm all over the place.
Speaker 4:I love that I am too. I am ADD. I love that I am too.
Speaker 1:I am ADD, so yeah same.
Speaker 2:And she's yeah, I'm what same.
Speaker 1:Yeah same, yeah well, I mean, when I saw her take out snack from her Dean Adams and I'm like because I'm always like, you know, you got lipstick snacks and then she did the same thing.
Speaker 2:I'm like wait, you know, you got. That was like that's how we click snacks. And then she did the same thing.
Speaker 1:Like wait a minute. And I looked I'm like she did it before me, so it wasn't like she was copying. You know, in the industry you kind of see same things over and over again. Yeah, but it's like I feel like when I first started following her, I'm like this is like that's what she really does, right.
Speaker 4:Me Like. This is like that's what she really does.
Speaker 1:Right, me too, and half the time, and we were just kind of talking about that If we have like a product that we're trying to feature and like it takes so many hours for me to like, okay, that's not politically correct, and then you know I'm like, okay, retake. But when we're actually, when I'm actually like getting dressed or whatever, I'm like wait, I need to put a camera right there and then like 10 seconds right, and then that video goes viral. But I mean, I think people kind of know that it's real, it's not a setup kind of thing you know, yeah, yeah, so yeah like yeah, I mean, she's goofy, I'm goofy.
Speaker 2:Who's gonna like wait, she's doing the same thing. It's like I like her, she's just like me.
Speaker 4:It's like yeah and it's funny too, because you know, I said I I literally fell in love with you when I first met you. It was the same thing for you when. When I saw you at the um, what was it the? It was in dallas nra. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't the nra, it was the empowered 2a. Oh, that's right. And then, and then like I was like, oh, my god, you're awesome. And then I find out you guys are like besties and I was like well, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:That makes sense, goofy and Goofy.
Speaker 2:We were talking about the other day. The first time we actually met in person was in Houston for her birthday, and it was just something funny because we talked for a while online but we never met in person until someone said something to do something funny.
Speaker 1:We were at a gun range and there was a mascot out in front. And then we were just like cheese and doing this, and then they're like do something funny, and I was like oh, OK, and then immediately it was an astronaut. We both reached for the gun.
Speaker 2:Both of us and I just literally fell on the floor laughing and we have the video of that and it was like that's when we both was like okay you are so mean, he's like you're just like, we're like, okay, we're besties, that we're gonna be.
Speaker 1:It's like you just know yeah, yeah, because I mean I, you know she, she lived in california and I was like, go to Texas, and she's like I really. So she did some research and I don't know how many months, and I said I'm actually shooting a match in Washington and I said I'll just get a one-way ticket to California, I'll come pick you up and we'll go to Texas.
Speaker 4:So that's what we we did and a lot of people are like are you crazy?
Speaker 1:You've only met her one time I'm like no, you don't get it.
Speaker 2:I mean sometimes, I think, you just know.
Speaker 1:Social media or, you know, like email, you could get to know people a little bit more, I think, and like in a deeper you know condition, I think, than actually making friends in a deeper you know condition, I think, then, so she really took a one-way flight to come help me pack that's awesome and drove the van.
Speaker 2:She drove, I drove my car, she drove the van all the way to texas, and I know people are like who does that? Who does that for you? It's like, yeah, she does, yeah, that is she does.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that is such an interesting story. That's sweet. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's just yeah.
Speaker 2:Very rare, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I mean, you know, a lot of times I think women sometimes who have a little bit of jealousy temptationally you know what I mean but like for her it was just like she started following me and just always just positive. Everything was positive. And I think I same way, and I think a lot of times not just men get intimidated by me, but women do, and then when they meet me they're like you're exactly like you are on Instagram. I'm like is that a good?
Speaker 2:thing or is that a bad thing? They tell me the same, but I still not know how you're supposed to just be yourself, like you're so funny.
Speaker 1:Just be yourself like no, yeah, like you're still fighting. Goofy like on Instagram.
Speaker 2:Like yeah yeah, same person, that's the same with her is like meeting her in person for the first time, is exactly like talking to her on message. It's just exactly like there's no difference at all and it's it's. It's it's nice when you meet people that are like genuine, yeah, online and in person, and they're exactly the same person. It's just, and I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just think um just being you know in the industry. I think majority of the people want to help you out you know, know like, hey, have you tried this, or you know? Just goes on and on, and I just love that about this community.
Speaker 4:Yeah so yeah, me too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, big family.
Speaker 3:So you mentioned classes and stuff. Where do you teach right now?
Speaker 1:Right now I live north of Tulsa and I do have a kind of like, well, actually, my backyard private range. I have a neighbor that you know kind of allows me to. He I own about almost eight acres, so his backyard kind of incumbents my backyard and he's a big duck hunter. So he's like, yeah, go shoot down there. So I do, I don't have. Well, I do have a website. Yeah, go shoot down there. So I I do, I don't have. Well, I do have a website and I do like just word of mouth right now, but I do have a website which I, you know, I I want to continue that and kind of have that as my second job.
Speaker 1:So, but cause. That's my um passion.
Speaker 4:Yeah, passion.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So yeah, I'm up to take a class with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would love to. So I do. You know, like I think now it's like every majority of the women take the basic class, fundamentals, and then it's like what now? Because I know that when I first started, I you know, I was self-taught.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then, finally, I thought I'm safe with, you know, my trigger finger and muzzle, and I just jumped and said I'm going to take this class. I don't care if there's 30 guys, but a lot of women get intimidated by that, so I want to offer something like kind of in between right the basic and the advanced.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of what I'm working with is intermediate and concealment, carry and how to draw and things like that. So that's kind of what I'm working on right now for 2025 is what I want to do, so that's awesome.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because I think there's a there's, there's a gap there, because even at that empower 2a event yes, talking to several women that they're literally just scared, right scared to even hold a gun and I'm like it's scary that someone carries while they're scared of even holding a gun, and there's a lot of women are too scared to even go and take a first lesson because they're literally scared of the gun we just had a lady we were doing a license to carry class across the street and, uh, we were getting ready for the LTC or the qualification part, and this lady was like I didn't know I had to shoot, and she's like I, I'm afraid I don't want to do it. So you know, we're going to let her finish the you know, the classroom portion. But I had to go talk to her and I was like, well, you know, let's, let's have a class. You know, I gave her my information.
Speaker 4:I was like we can get you comfortable, but you know, to your point. I was like that and it's getting it.
Speaker 2:And it's a gap, is like. If you can get them over that fear, right, right, and then at least you're comfortable and you have control over the gun, instead of the gun having control over you.
Speaker 4:Because you can. I mean, I guess the scariest part of that to me is you know if she's, if she doesn't know what she's doing, or something like that like she could end up hurting somebody that she's not, and that's me too.
Speaker 1:I have a certification to teach conceal small self-defense act in Oklahoma.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 1:I have a cleat law enforcement instructor and it's so crazy how you, you know, like mostly women show up it's not even their gun and they, like I had like maybe one out of four classes they're like oh, I have to shoot. You know, I'm like you know, this is a concealed carry license, kind of like you're getting your driver's license, and when you kind of tell them that, like why are you here? They're like well, my husband made me Right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this lady was with her husband, so it's my husband's gun.
Speaker 1:I've never touched it and I'm like you know, you have to kind of clear a malfunction and you know, and that it's I mean, I don't know the information. I'm like what, what class did you think you were taking? So I ended up. Her husband ended up, you know, like saying OK, I stopped her and I said, if you want to take my basic class, and then we could do kind of like a combination. So that's why I do more like one on one, Right, Because a lot of the people that show up it's like they're clueless. It's like they're clueless.
Speaker 1:Right, you're not ready and I think half half of the ladies that come in, you know, take the concealment class, they don't get it because it's like I get it. You don't need to get it if you're deathly afraid of it. So like you need training, so it's OK, you come back and see me, or you know, let's, let's do the basic training, and so that's kind of how I just do maybe right now, just kind of one-on-one, I think women kind of like that, or an all-female class. But it's kind of mind-boggling how you're like. You know, you did realize this was a concealed carry class.
Speaker 4:Well, a lot of people have, like those common misconceptions.
Speaker 1:You just go over there fill out some paper and just, you know, get a license and a gun, or I thought you were going to teach me. I'm like not this class.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, that happens a lot that happens a lot, even if we put disclaimers in our course descriptions and you still always, always get that.
Speaker 2:It's scary because it's like you know, making a comparison of like you get a driver's license. You're comparison of like you get a driver's license, you're supposed to know how to drive the car, you can't get behind the wheel and just you're gonna end up hurting yourself or someone else if you don't know how to operate. Yeah the vehicle that you get in a license for.
Speaker 1:It's like so strange I'm like you know people fear car more than I'm so nervous, and you know you get experience. I'm like why wouldn't you do that with a firearm? Yeah, yeah, you know, you think you're going to just buy it, and then you get a concealed carry license and then you're good to go.
Speaker 4:Yeah Well, a lot of people think that oh well, you know, I'm just shooting from here to here, it's just a matter of pulling the trigger. You know they don't understand all the other nuances that come into being able to control that fire especially in a high stress situation. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:We're trying. I mean we're trying to be. I mean it started as me just wanting to show my progress in my training, in my training journey. And then you get people that are kind of tell you, hey, this is like inspiring, or like you're always out there training and I'm like, yeah, because to me is important, but then it's, it's really. It's a beautiful moment when people come and tell you they're inspired by it or you know what? I'm going to go to train, train some more because because they see you as an example. And I love, I love hearing that.
Speaker 4:Exactly, and that's one of the reasons that I love what both of you do so much is because you know you've got those, those people that see you out there, and they're right especially being you know you're pretty, you guys aren't, you know, all like tacticaled out, you know, but you, you look like, you know, just regular, regular girls, you know, and it's like, oh well, she can do it, I can do it too.
Speaker 1:And that's another thing. It's like not just women, but more and more like husbands and boyfriends are messaging me. They're like, hey, what could I do? And I love that, because a lot of what I've saw in the past it was just like they were forced to do it or they go about the wrong way. So I did an article on that.
Speaker 1:Like you know how to get her out there, I'm like yeah, this is a long journey and you have to talk to them, kind of like, you know, when you're dating, you prepare. Like that first day you prepare and you find out where you know what kind of food she likes. It's just like that, you know, let her. You know, like figure out what she wants, not what you think she wants. And so many guys are you know messaging. And then and I'm like, did you already take her out? Like no, not yet I saw your video, I saw your article. So that's why I'm asking you. I'm like perfect, perfect, yes, so I'm going to keep writing. So they're listening and I love that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the same. Like you said, there's guys husbands, boyfriends too, or even instructors that say hey, oh, yeah, like when I have like women come to my class, like I show them your page, or like your training and it's like, oh my gosh, yeah, I do get a lot of. I mean, that's not why I started this, like it was just me showing my journey.
Speaker 1:But hey, I love that, yeah I love it because I I'm to a point where you, you know, I'm like posting things, I'm all over the place and I'm like where am I going with all this? I'm like I don't even know anymore. And then you get that message from a husband or you know a girl. That's like you know she's spilling her guts out and she's like I think I'm ready, I'm really ready, because I saw you out there and I'm like, yeah, saw you out there. And I'm like, yeah, it's that, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm like, okay, I, whatever it takes you know it takes one person at a time and I I love that. So and that's why Walter is so. You know I like working with him. They're like just do whatever you want to do. You know, if you want to post, I don't have like a contract where they're like give me five posts. You know I love that and they're really great. You know people, the actual people that are behind you know like do whatever you want to do Like okay, I have a great experience with Walther. Yeah, you guys are.
Speaker 4:They're pretty, yeah, they're pretty cool.
Speaker 1:So, like they're like my family and you know, I've been approached by a lot of companies and I'm like, if I'm going to ever switch, I'm like I'm just going to do my own thing, like I'm not going to go with this company or that company or you know like, hey, this week I'm like, shoot this, because this is great, it's the best. And then next week, hey, shoot this, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I'm just kind of still hanging in until they're like okay, michelle you're getting too old, get out of here.
Speaker 2:Actually, the older you get, the better it is. It's like you know it's okay.
Speaker 1:It's like yeah, that's right, like hey, you can get a wheelchair in your shoe coat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll push your wheelchair, let's do when we're older, we'll do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's do that, that, that's.
Speaker 2:We'll do that yeah.
Speaker 4:Let's do that.
Speaker 1:That's going to be a content, for sure. Yeah, love that.
Speaker 4:I can't wait.
Speaker 3:So if folks want to find more about, like a class or something or just find y'all in general, you said you were working on a website. Yeah, it's just tackgirlmichellecom.
Speaker 1:Cool. And then Instagram everything's tackgirlmichelle. And they're like how did you come up with that? I'm like because I was kind of doing the tactical, you know, training, and then I'm a girl and my name is Michelle. There you go, it's tackgirlmichellecom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mine is Instagram bonbons and guns and many times I'm like, should I change it? Because that's kind of like at the beginning, like you, but I'm like, ah, people know you by that. It's fine. It's not just guns, it's just it's training, it's the whole.
Speaker 4:Yeah, bonbons is just kind of like a nickname, so yeah.
Speaker 3:Awesome. Well, thank y'all for coming down and making the trip down here and hanging out with us for a little bit. Good luck on the match tonight. Yes.
Speaker 2:I'll need it, thank you, thanks for having us.
Speaker 3:It'll be a lot of fun. It really is.
Speaker 2:I'm excited. Are you shooting? Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Are you shooting?
Speaker 3:No, not tonight. Got the kids and stuff, family stuff. Yeah, it's that enough matches yeah.
Speaker 2:Especially here we have one like oh yeah, right Right, every week, right yeah, that's kind of like me.
Speaker 1:I live like my lake is just right across the street, but I've been there 20 years. I'm like maybe once it's just you know time flies.
Speaker 3:It's so close that you're like oh, I can just Tomorrow, next week, next week, and then it's like 20 years later.
Speaker 1:That's me too. I'm like oh my gosh, I can't believe it's been six months since I shot a match. Just life, just so. I'm like okay, so I'm going to Texas, I was going to shoot a carbine match and then that got rained down. Like okay that I have a training on Monday, like everything rolled in one like podcast training match match birthday and I'm like I'm probably gonna be dead on friday, but it's okay so, yeah, awesome, yeah, thank y'all.
Speaker 3:Thank y'all so much for coming on.
Speaker 1:Thank you, thank you really appreciate it really appreciate and good having y'all so yes absolutely well if you stuck around this long.
Speaker 3:Thank you for tuning in. We will see you next time. Subscribe, like, comment all that good stuff and yeah, we'll see you next time. That was probably the worst sign-off I've ever done, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because still we do.
Speaker 3:Unless Tara, you have a better sign-off.
Speaker 4:Oh, no, no, you know I do, I'd be way worse, way worse so we usually have Ian do the sign offs and he's much better at it, I'll have to practice something witty and fun.
Speaker 3:I'm not used to doing these. I do an intro but the sign off go to work on the sign off. Next time I'll practice an outro and I'll do the the sign off is extra long now, so I'm going to go ahead and end it and stop talking now, because